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Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Post by lexandstuff »

qgin wrote: post #64

There will come a day when 50% of jobs are being done by AI, major decisions are being made by AI, we're all riding around in cars driven by AI, people are having romantic relationships with AI... and we'll STILL be debating whether what has been created is really AGI. AGI will forever be the next threshold, then the next, then the next until one day we'll realize that we passed the line years before.

Agreed.

To me, GPT-4 is an AGI: it knows how to cook, write code, make songs, navigate international tax law, write business plans, etc.

Could it be more intelligent? Sure. Is it a capable general intelligence? 100%.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

LewisVerstappen wrote: post #16
htk wrote: post #6

Just when I thought the ride was over. The belief in what's in the letter could explain some things like how the board couldn't trust Sam to keep this "discovery" at bay, and how it could be better to implode the company than let it explore said technology.

> the board couldn't trust Sam to keep this "discovery" at bay, and how it could be better to implode the company than let it explore said technology. Half the board members have a background in ML. Why should they be able to make the decision to implode the entire company over this? Why should they have the ability to give zero transparency or comms to the public on their decision? OpenAI's governance structure was…

> glad to see the board members fired

When adding Larry "My predictions didn't come true but I wasn't wrong" Summers to your board is supposed to be part of the solution, you may need to rethink your conception of the problem.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Post by 22c »

gadders wrote: post #269
22c wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discussed in another thread, but what OpenAI might call AGI and what other people might call AGI are two different things: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38316378#38319586

I just tried to Google the Open AI definition of AGI and found a reddit thread about someone editing the Wikipedia definition of AGI to match the OpenAI one. https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/s/64wGaH0P9C

Interesting find! I get some astroturfing vibes from some of those edits, but I'm also a bit paranoid about those things.

The AGI article now seems heavily biased towards GPT/LLM style models and reads more like list of OpenAI achievements at certain points.

I much prefer Gartner's definition of AGI and I think when most informed people talk about about AGI, they are talking about this:

https://www.gartner.com/en/information-technology/glossary/a...

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Post by Waterluvian »

pests wrote: post #294
swatcoder wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The OpenAI charter makes very strong soecific statements about the capabilities that qualify as AGI. Microsoft is more than legally talented enough to challenge any proclamation of AGI that didn't satisfy a court's read of the qualifications. So it's facially subjective, but not practically once you include resolving a dispute in court. I'd even argue that Microsoft may have taken advantage of the board's cult-like b…

Isn't that definition just "an autonomous system that surpasses human capabilities in the majority of economically valuable tasks." That doesn't sound too subjective to me.

This is one of those things where if you were asked to sit down and write out thoroughly what that phrase means, you’d find it to be exceedingly subjective.

I think the closest way you could truly measure that is to point at industries using it and proving the theory in the market. But by then it’s far too late.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Waterluvian wrote: post #304
pests wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that definition just "an autonomous system that surpasses human capabilities in the majority of economically valuable tasks." That doesn't sound too subjective to me.

This is one of those things where if you were asked to sit down and write out thoroughly what that phrase means, you’d find it to be exceedingly subjective. I think the closest way you could truly measure that is to point at industries using it and proving the theory in the market. But by then it’s far too late.

> I think the closest way you could truly measure that is to point at industries using it and proving the theory in the market. But by then it’s far too late.

Having some billions of dollars of profits hanging over this issue is a good test of value. If the "is AGI" side can use their AI to help their lawyers defeat the much better/numerous army of lawyers of a billion-dollar corporation, and they succeed, then we're really talking about AGI now.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Post by yeck »

skepticATX wrote: post #237
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #133

You've got to hand it to OpenAI for their bleeding edge marketing strat: "WE'VE GOT AN AGI IN THIS CABINET RIGHT HERE AND WE DON'T WANT TO LET IT OUT BECAUSE IT'S SO POWERFUL, IT'S SO AI YOU HAVE NO IDEA, BEST YOU THROW MONEY AT US AND WE'LL KEEP EVERYONE SAFE BUT SORRY YOU"RE ALL REDUNDANT BECAUSE AGI, SORRY" You'd think that so soon after so many Crypto scams people would be just a wee bit less credulous.

The report is already starting to get rolled back. We now have a direct denial from OpenAI, and The Verge is reporting that their sources have also denied this happened. The lack of skepticism that is demonstrated whenever OpenAI/AGI comes up, especially among technologists, is concerning.

Where do you see it being rolled back?

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Post by yeck »

skepticATX wrote: post #228

> OpenAI spokesperson Lindsey Held Bolton refuted that notion in a statement shared with The Verge: “Mira told employees what the media reports were about but she did not comment on the accuracy of the information.” > Separately, a person familiar with the matter told The Verge that the board never received a letter about such a breakthrough and that the company’s research progress didn’t play a role in Altman’s sudd…

So we have sources claiming there is a letter, and another source claiming there is not. Feel like some people would need to start going on the record before anything might reasonably be determined from this.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Post by ChainOfFools »

22c wrote: post #264
gadders wrote: post #60

Weirdly enough, this sort of lines up with a theory posted on 4chan 4 days ago. The gist being that if the version is formally declared AGI, it can't be licensed to Microsoft and others for commercial gain. As a result Altman wants it not to be called AGI, other board members do. Archived link below. NB THIS IS 4CHAN - THERE WILL OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE. https://archive.ph/sFMXa

Discussed in another thread, but what OpenAI might call AGI and what other people might call AGI are two different things: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38316378#38319586

How possible is it that this is just an attempt to pare down the definition of AGI just enough to squeeze under the MVP threshold and claim ( with massive support from a general media that desperately wants a solid story hook to milk for the next 3 years) a place in the history books up there with Columbus, Armstrong, and Darwin etc? A mere Nobel would seem like table stakes in comparison.

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Post by stuckkeys »

gadders wrote: post #60

Weirdly enough, this sort of lines up with a theory posted on 4chan 4 days ago. The gist being that if the version is formally declared AGI, it can't be licensed to Microsoft and others for commercial gain. As a result Altman wants it not to be called AGI, other board members do. Archived link below. NB THIS IS 4CHAN - THERE WILL OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE. https://archive.ph/sFMXa

4chan comments crack me up lol.

Re: OpenAI researchers warned board of AI breakthrough ahead of CEO ouster

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Post by blazespin »

mfiguiere wrote: post #199

TheInformation has just published an article about this topic: OpenAI Made an AI Breakthrough Before Altman Firing, Stoking Excitement and Concern https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-made-an-ai-br...

No sub. Did they just re-tweet reuters or did they separately confirm?
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