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Post by bombcar »

aeyes wrote: post #288
chatmasta wrote: post #250

I wish Apple would separate the updates of their bundleware from their OS. Some of the major updates have meaningful changes to the underlying OS (gatekeeper, SIP, etc.), but others - like this one - are primarily changes to frills like Messages, Notes, Safari and other Apple-native apps that I don't even use. I have no problem with Apple bundling these apps and making them work seamlessly together, and I don't even…

You know what would be even better? If you could reliably uninstall all this junk or not even install it at all. Every time I hit some button on my keyboard and the Music app opens asking me to create an account I am reminded how hostile all commercial operating systems are.

Somehow on migrating to a new iPhone the music app decided it needed full notification permissions, apparently because a new Taylor swift album is of the same notification level as an incoming missile strike.

At least it’s easy enough to turn off.

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Post by jwells89 »

KerrAvon wrote: post #260
pupppet wrote: post #211

Every time a new MacOS version is announced the 1Password staff must be all sitting around praying Apple doesn't add any more bells and whistles to Keychain.

I doubt they care about Mac customers. If they did, they would have avoided ruining the app's UI so that customers don't have a good reason to jump ship at the first opportunity.

The new UI is such a downgrade. It took the app from feeling well made to feeling like your average bloaty SaaS app. I’m gonna have to figure out an alternative once 1PW 7 is no longer supported.

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Post by robbiep »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #229
pupppet wrote: post #211

Every time a new MacOS version is announced the 1Password staff must be all sitting around praying Apple doesn't add any more bells and whistles to Keychain.

In Safari, keychain and 1password certainly are fighting harder for my attention than they have in the past. I want to use a workflow where passkeys live in iCloud and normal login pairs live in 1Password. 1Password's passkeys implementation is a nice way to keep keychain from being the only player in the game but I like how much faster they work stored inside of the OS better.

Am I right in that keychain only really works in safari? Or are there recent changes?

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Post by bombcar »

beowulfey wrote: post #275
pedalpete wrote: post #249

Does anyone else have no idea what macOS version is which? Which came first? Is there some hidden naming protocol that I just don't grasp? I've only started using a mac part-time while I've been developing an iOS app over the past few weeks, and I keep seeing different names for the OS version. I have no idea what version I'm on, or if Big Sur came before Sierra, or what. I know I could look it up, but it seems that…

The name is meaningless. It’s just marketing; every version is named for another location across California. Before that they were named for big cats. Each version has a number that is sequential though. I think it’s just an effect of sheer quantity. They release a new version every year. It’s hard to keep track.

I wish they’d just get iOS, the iPhone, and macOS or whatever it is called now all the same. Today I should be running iOS 15 on an iPhone 15 talking to macOS 15.

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Post by bombcar »

Fnoord wrote: post #277
pedalpete wrote: post #249

Does anyone else have no idea what macOS version is which? Which came first? Is there some hidden naming protocol that I just don't grasp? I've only started using a mac part-time while I've been developing an iOS app over the past few weeks, and I keep seeing different names for the OS version. I have no idea what version I'm on, or if Big Sur came before Sierra, or what. I know I could look it up, but it seems that…

Usually... It works like airplanes. Some people see Tomcat and know immediately what it refers to. Others prefer the numeric F-14. I still remember NATO codenames from 40 years ago, without the letter/number. Sidewinder, for example. I have the issue you describe with Ubuntu and (less so) Debian codenames and also with Android codenames. With Ubuntu though, the number is descriptive, like Russian tanks (T-90 etc), so…

Wait the Tomcat and the F-14 are the same?

Reminds me of getting horribly confused reading War and Peace h til I realized one character had like fifty names.

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Post by jahewson »

kraig wrote: post #291
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Safari, keychain and 1password certainly are fighting harder for my attention than they have in the past. I want to use a workflow where passkeys live in iCloud and normal login pairs live in 1Password. 1Password's passkeys implementation is a nice way to keep keychain from being the only player in the game but I like how much faster they work stored inside of the OS better.

Really the only thing keeping me from going all in on keychain is the lack of a UI for the times when it doesn’t autocomplete or I need a password in terminal or something. I’d pay for something that provided a global hotkey and an interface that isn’t nested in Settings.

The keychain app gets you out of settings, though leaves much to be desired.

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Post by behnamoh »

spicybright wrote: post #16

FINALLY we've come full circle and can have widgets on the desktop again! It's not like a revolutionary killer feature for me, but I just always preferred having information always in my "peripheral" instead of having to actively check a separate menu.

Next thing I'm waiting for: Apple removes the useless Stage Manager "feature" (it's not a feature, it's a bug).

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Post by bombcar »

jccalhoun wrote: post #130
whalesalad wrote: post #15

I used to love the in depth reviews of macOS from John Siracusa. They aren’t the same since then, but I still tend to look to Ars for a full review before upgrading. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/09/macos-14-sonoma-the-...

Since he has left his day job I was hoping he would start writing them again but that hasn't happened.

If ever there was a case for a “per release” patreon that would be one.

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Post by lxgr »

ianlevesque wrote: post #224
lxgr wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

File Providers are useful in some scenarios, but they are also not really a FUSE equivalent. They're more geared towards Dropbox-like synchronizing use cases. Some developers have made it work for SSHFS too, but even that's already a bit of a stretch; for more custom solutions it definitely falls short: https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/681325 The only option currently seems to be to implement a network file…

I honestly worry Apple will remember NFS exists at some point and delete that too. File Providers is so limiting.

Me too – I actually only found out it was still around (and not just around, but even supporting v4!) when I looked at fuse-t as an alternative to macFUSE.
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