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New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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Even if Landis is being honest to the best of his ability, this account seems suspect for one simple reason: human memory is incredibly unreliable even in routine cases. Considering the stress and trauma around witnessing and being so close to an awful event like that, as well as the amount of time that has passed, I don't see how we can consider this story to be even remotely reliable. He may truly remember these ev…

Landis also said different things in his report at the time.

Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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Not directly related to this article, but I found the lone gunman theory much easier to accept after visiting the museum in the former book depository in Dallas. You can look down onto the plaza from the exact spot Oswald shot from, and you can easily imagine how the bullet fired from there would go through JFK and into the governor sitting in front of him. Not that this proves anything, it was just a "oh, I can tang…

I think what drives much conspiracy-theorizing are two facts: 1) people have terrible intuition about physics outside a very narrow range of everyday conditions, 2) people are viscerally unaware of fact 1). For instance, I recall sitting next to a table of 9/11-truthers meeting up at a coffee shop. Their discussions kept circling back to the sheer implausibility of a fire causing structural beams to buckle. People do…

> For instance, I recall sitting next to a table of 9/11-truthers meeting up at a coffee shop. Their discussions kept circling back to the sheer implausibility of a fire causing structural beams to buckle. People don't have intuition for jet-fuel-hot fires; nor skyscraper-high gravitational potential energy.

They might, if they think for a few minutes about how metalworking works.

> I'd like to hope that at least problem 2) could be ameliorated if good laboratory-based educational experiences were widespread enough

I think a lot of this comes from people being alienated from working with the physical world. Blacksmiths probably have extremely accurate everyday intuitions about how metal behaves under extreme heat.

Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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I remember with 100 percent clarity doing great in sophomore high school math. I loved it and I went on to get a PhD. Then my mom passed and I got a box of stuff with my name on it from her house. It included my report card. C.

That's because you remember correctly...the simulation just messed up the report card object and accidentally decremented the counter twice. In all seriousness it's crazy how bad memory is. Like we all have a false version of the truth.

Conversation is throwing fictional worlds at each other.

Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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I am also skeptical of Landis, but what do you mean about preserving evidence? It's a bullet. It just was next to an explosion that cleared it most most evidence. Then the barrel rifling altered the metal. That would not be harmed by picking it up. Then it went through jfk. Okay, we already know his DNA is on it. The real question is why are you picking up random things from a crime scene and then putting them down i…

Are you from some other timeline where there was explosion at Kennedy assassination? The bullet they are talking about is the "magic bullet" that hit Kennedy and Connally. The bullet that hit Kennedy's head distinegrated and they found fragments.

> Are you from some other timeline where there was explosion at Kennedy assassination?

> The bullet they are talking about is the "magic bullet" that hit Kennedy and Connally. The bullet that hit Kennedy's head distinegrated and they found fragments.

The explosion they are referring to is the one inside the firearm when the firing pin strikes the cartridge.

No need to be unkind.

Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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I am also skeptical of Landis, but what do you mean about preserving evidence? It's a bullet. It just was next to an explosion that cleared it most most evidence. Then the barrel rifling altered the metal. That would not be harmed by picking it up. Then it went through jfk. Okay, we already know his DNA is on it. The real question is why are you picking up random things from a crime scene and then putting them down i…

Are you from some other timeline where there was explosion at Kennedy assassination? The bullet they are talking about is the "magic bullet" that hit Kennedy and Connally. The bullet that hit Kennedy's head distinegrated and they found fragments.

Bullets, in general, are next to an "explosion" when fired from any gun that propels bullets via explosion.

Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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I honestly don't think there was a conspiracy... but I wouldn't be surprised to learn there was more to it, at the same time. I never gave it much thought but one day I saw a documentary and its like "damn, there's a lot of weird stuff to this." However, I think it also shows just how bad people's memory is _or_ how bad people are at extracting details from witnesses.

Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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Not directly related to this article, but I found the lone gunman theory much easier to accept after visiting the museum in the former book depository in Dallas. You can look down onto the plaza from the exact spot Oswald shot from, and you can easily imagine how the bullet fired from there would go through JFK and into the governor sitting in front of him. Not that this proves anything, it was just a "oh, I can tang…

The problem is, the Secret Service could see that too, and Dallas wasn't exactly a "friendly" city. The decision to take such a route in a vehicle without cover or without securing the building remains unexplained. So, yea, the depository is a perfect location to shoot onto that route. This in and of itself is a massive problem.

You, like many people, fall into the trap of seeing the events of 1963 through a modern lens, a lens that itself was greatly influenced by these events.

Presidential security in 1963 wasn't what it is today. For example, JFK would stop his car to go mingle with the crowd. There's a photo on this audio recording from Miami in 1963 [1].

There are parallels with 9/11. Prior to 9-11, people would generally go along peacefully with hijackers. Why? Because they knew the "routine". The hijackers would fly the plane somewhere, land it, make demands, make noise for their political cause and, more often than not, people would get to go home. Harrowing for sure. But the general public didn't conceive of planes being used as cruise missiles. We all know post-9/11 was so much security theater but it was also largely unnecessary because people were now aware they could be used as a missile so were less likely to simply go along with demands.

JFK's assassination changed the threat modelling and protection by the Secret Service of the president. In spite of that, Ronald Reagan was shot by an assailant [2] without any great planning or mass conspiracy.

Now it's all bulletproof motorcades with armor plating to survive running over a land mine. It's Secret Service vetting every audience member at a live event. It's mapping out and securing any potential sniper positions. None of that was true to the same degree in 1963.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep_NiYKrcC0

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Ron...

Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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He was also a 24 year old that had just seen the head of someone very familiar to him explode in front of him. I’m kind of inclined to expect peculiar behavior from him.

Shock is the only explanation that makes any sense to me. However, remaining "largely silent" for 60 years about it implies that there's other factors at play.

The silence could have come from embarrassment at later recognition of what he'd done.

Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory

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post #225

I used to be passingly interested in the conspiracy part of the JFK assassination until I watched this EXTENSIVE in length and sourced video on the assassination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8tO16xdrY It's all very logical and straightforward.

I suppose it's impossible to prove the specifics of the conspiracy, but that Jack Ruby, a guy running strip clubs for the mafia, takes it upon himself to publically shoot Lee Harvey Oswald kind of proves to me that there was some kind of conspiracy. What other explanation could there possibly be? What Oswald might have said if we were kept alive... no one will ever know. But if there was nothing there, why did Jack Ruby kill him? Temporary insanity, deeply patriotic fan of JFK, or tying up loose ends on orders -- what makes more sense?
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