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Re: Shell abandons its plan to offset CO2 emissions

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but not enough to make a impactful dent in carbon emissions, especially if the electricity used charge them is produced by fossil.

When I ran the numbers off of the actual CO2 emissions of the actual California grid, an EV created something like half the CO2 for a trip in the equivalent gas car. The calculation wasn't straightforward though. And varies widely by locale. EV mileage is reported in eMPG. Which means, "The miles you get when you charge the battery with the same energy as is in a mile of gasoline." The problem is that to deliver that…

In the end using a car is using a car. It takes an awful lot of energy to build, and then to move, more so often to transport only one or 2 persons, in a very short trip. It needs huge infrastructure that are energetically and financially costly to build and maintain.

All these needs to be cut down and EV won't help us. People need to be able to reach safely schools, workplaces, shops, restaurants by foot or by bike regardless of their age and fitness level.

What we help us is better infrastructure for non motorized vehicles, better public transport (even if they are not financially profitable), walkable spaces, security (with a density of human presence making sure we are safe, not useless cameras), transforming suburbs, commercial and social areas so there is no physical separation anymore between people and where they need/want to go and spend time, effectively bringing back the village/small town paradigm.

EV goes way way way way down the list and we should focus first on EV for public transport and transportation of good rather than personnal toys and vanity possession.

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No, it’s worse. It takes money and focus away from things that work.

What "things that work" does Shell otherwise spend the money on if not half-assed offsets? Besides executives and peak oil I mean, since those aren't going to work against climate change either

Shell is building wind parks and investing in renewables.

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It makes a ton of sense if your focus is only short-term profit. It makes absolutely 0 sense if your goal is to try to decrease the legal liability of knowingly causing global warming and actively suppressing those internal studies to increase profits. Feels like the oil companies are going to face a big tobacco moment in the next 20 years and the previous CEO was preparing their defense of "don't punish us for the s…

Their entire plan is: - Deny the existence of the problem. - Pay for others to join the denialist movement. - Pay others to say that individuals should fix the problem, not the company. - If they cannot deny anymore, promise they will certainly do something in the future. - When the future arrives, say they couldn't do anything for financial reasons. - Finally, say that the harm is already done, and nothing else can…

Do you realise that the Rockerfellers (famous oil scions) organised the environmental movement into what we have today, via people like Maurice Strong (himself an oil entrepreneur). There is a good argument to be made that the environmental movement is a creation of 'big oil'.

Re: Shell abandons its plan to offset CO2 emissions

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As both a Python developer and Energy (oil and gas) engineer, I am a regular reader of Hacker News and enjoy the quality of discussions in the comments on the HN Top articles. This thread however disappoints me. The news of any producers potentially reducing their CO2 targets in any form is upsetting. However, painting them as bad guys vs good guys or using the tobacco industry analogy is too simplistic in my opinion. Doomberg is a great newsletter to start with to have a more educated discussion around these topics. The articles below, give great background to mature this discussion and moving it passed Oil company boss wants to be rich, they shut down all the other alternative rubbish. 1. https://doomberg.substack.com/p/where-stuff-comes-from (if you time to read only one of these, make it this one) 2. https://doomberg.substack.com/p/got-milk 3. https://doomberg.substack.com/p/tour-de-farce

Article below is an example of challenges facing rolling out renewables. They are not all Oil and Gas related as generally perceived: https://archive.md/udhVH

There are also couple of really good books on the topic, which I am happy to share if the interest is there.

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ah, yes, a throwaway account. At least, provide for some citation to be worthy. https://www.globe.gov/explore-science/scientists-blog/archiv...

1. My account is older than yours and has far more reputation. It's no more a throwaway than yours--it just contains the sequence of characters "throwaway". 2. Your link is about co2 exhaled which is a tiny fraction of a person's overall co2 emissions. 3. According to https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/climate-solutions/carbo... , the average American's carbon footprint is about 16 tons of co2 per year multiplied b…

Thanks for the update.

Due diligence was needed ... by me.

(Then again, I often read about a trillion trees on this surface of this ball of mass, but quantization approach of this scale isn't my cup of tea).

Re: Shell abandons its plan to offset CO2 emissions

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Still not negligible.

but not enough to make a impactful dent in carbon emissions, especially if the electricity used charge them is produced by fossil.

Large energy plants are still more efficient than individual ICEs.

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I seriously believe it. Climate change will almost certainly lead to food insecurity and political upheavals, leading mass migration and war, not to mention potential knock-on effects where, for example, photosynthesis reductions due to extreme heat at the equator, rapid rates of methane release as permafrost melts, mass death in a heating and acidifying sea... . really there are just so many things that could go wro…

Environmental knowledge is inversely associated with climate change anxiety. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-023-03518-z

What are you using to measure "environmental knowledge"? Do the hundreds of scientists who drafted the IPCC report count as knowledgeable? Does the report sound anxious ?

Re: Shell abandons its plan to offset CO2 emissions

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It makes a ton of sense if your focus is only short-term profit. It makes absolutely 0 sense if your goal is to try to decrease the legal liability of knowingly causing global warming and actively suppressing those internal studies to increase profits. Feels like the oil companies are going to face a big tobacco moment in the next 20 years and the previous CEO was preparing their defense of "don't punish us for the s…

Their entire plan is: - Deny the existence of the problem. - Pay for others to join the denialist movement. - Pay others to say that individuals should fix the problem, not the company. - If they cannot deny anymore, promise they will certainly do something in the future. - When the future arrives, say they couldn't do anything for financial reasons. - Finally, say that the harm is already done, and nothing else can…

- Profit!

Re: Shell abandons its plan to offset CO2 emissions

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A large part comes from coal and natural gas

A diminishing part. In my state only 1/3 of electricity generated is from fossil fuels and that number is falling quickly.

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