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Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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There are already third party garages offering to unlock various things for less than Tesla wants (or upgrades Tesla simply doesn't sell).

They tend to involve a gizmo intercepting can messages though. The gizmo is usually keyed to the serial number of the car so you can't clone/move/resell them.

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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Am I the only one who thinks it's incredibly irresponsible to disclose this without going through proper channels first? They claim this hack unlocks a host of other features. Seems like a great way to get a bunch of people messing with their cars which could lead to all kinds of catastrophic consequences.

> Seems like a great way to get a bunch of people messing with their cars which could lead to all kinds of catastrophic consequences People have always been able to do this with a wrench since before the invention of cars.

I don't think anyone's taking a soldering iron to their on-board computer in a standard ICE vehicle. The fact that tesla has vehicle control code running on it (beyond your typical lane assist) makes this infinitely worse. Or am I missing something? I get that people disagree with these features being locked down and I agree. My point is this isn't like changing a cold air intake in your ICE car. This can have you go into a fucking wall at high speeds.

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>Your car is filmed and recognized by other teslas. - coolspot Is this true?

- filmed: definitely - recorded: not sure (probably not long term) - recognized: unlikely

Recorded, definitely based on the fact that Tesla employees were sharing various "funny" clips from these cams among themselves.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sens...

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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This market already exists for things like enabling Navigation on VW/Audi cars. People were offering to enable the hidden Android Auto support on my Porsche Macan for $600, which I almost went for until I found the scripts and instructions to do it myself.

I did the same on a Mazda CX5 a few years back, but it was a software only hack to get root first. I suspect the actual physical hardware modification line is the one that most users are going to be unwilling to cross unless they are in the "Download a Car" crowd.

Doesn't the Mazda CX-5s all ship with Android Auto and Apple Carplay by default?

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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I'm torn. On one hand, I absolutely think that a capability available in the vehicle/device when you purchased it should be available for you to use, and not behind a software lock (heated seats, etc). On the other hand, an "upgrade" or 100% new software delivered via OTA (self driving, etc) seems a little more like it should be a separate thing.

It's relatively clear to me... Features cost money, so I should pay for them. Wether that's via an option package (traditional) at order time OR via a software update (Tesla) after purchase doesn't matter. BUT! As long as that feature doesn't have recurring costs to the manufacturer (heated seats), it should be a one-time fee, and transfer with ownership. Something like self-driving, where there might be an active in…

If the feature is built in to the car from the factory and disabled via software so they can charge more then you are already paying for the parts and lugging around the added weight in the vehicle thus costing you more in fuel. Software locking a hardware feature that is integrated is an awful practice.

Telsa chose to do this presumably to only have to buy a single seat configuration and streamline installs so they could hit production quotas.

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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I'm somewhat torn too. IBM and I'm sure others have shipped enterprise hardware for years that was partially locked. You might get a machine with 16 cpus but you only paid for 8, for example, but you could license the rest as you grew. It seems a little similar and it was in no way underhanded, everyone knew what the deal was. However I'll echo what another poster said. I say Tesla should be free to sell whatever the…

I don’t mind hardware shipping locked and being an optional fee to unlock. I have paid for the rear heated seats in my model 3. What I’m vehemently opposed to is ongoing fees for things that don’t have ongoing costs. BMW wants to charge monthly for seat heaters or carplay, but those things are not a service and don’t have ongoing costs for BMW to provide. If anything creating an ongoing software lock creates an avail…

I don't understand the mental gymnastic here. They built car with heated seats. You paid for car with heated seats that are technically fully functional but you can't use them until you pay even more. No, doesn't make sense to me.

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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Are you saying dash cams are illegal broadly there?

Dash cams are much more tightly regulated in the EU than elsewhere (you become a Data Processor and have all the responsibilities that comes with that). Private ANPR in public spaces is unlawful in I think every EU state?

Coming from an American perspective (where, when you are in public, you have basically no expectation of privacy), this seems insane.

Does this mean that if I'm filming a vlog at Brandenburg Gate (which inevitably includes video of other people in the background enjoying the area), I'm in violation of privacy laws?

Does that mean if I take a video selfie of me and my family members (which, again, includes images of others in the background, and which is automatically uploaded to icloud) I'm a data processor and am in violation of privacy laws?

I assume there is some line here, but I can't think of the logic separating a person's dashcam from my examples?

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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Cue the "You wouldn't download a car" memes.

https://youtu.be/52KR_eC8UFE I wonder which schools had the children watch this after the pledge of allegiance.

there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg I fixed it for you

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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Wait a minute... heated seats are software locked on Teslas? WTF guys?

As are the footwell lights, fog lights, and premium audio. Heated front/rear seats have been standard equipment since 2020 I believe.

Premium audio isn't a software-disabled feature. You can buy a wiring harness on Amazon to enable the disabled, yet installed, speakers: https://amzn.to/3rVBrel

Re: Hackers manage to unlock Tesla software-locked features

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> you could anonymize your location on Tesla's servers I already anonymise my location on Tesla's servers by simply not owning a Tesla

Your car is filmed and recognized by other teslas.

Yeah, how much do you trust Musk and company?
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