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Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by manmal »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #271
manmal wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah the small systems are often very efficient, but you can't really use them for file serving from HDDs. USB (and even eSATA) enclosures are not a suitable replacement for internal SATA ports. Their controllers & firmware are not stable enough for heavy concurrent use and often crash or become non-responsive. Idling an old Xeon or a 12100 at 4W is also a bit more challenging than a 1.1Ghz Celeron.

For the record, the PN40 not only has 1 SATA internal port, it even has an NVME-capable M.2 slot. I make no claims of the power consumption of the latter since I never used it. If you want a shitton of SATA ports you obviously have to go somewhere else but then even the power consumption of the idling SSDs will start to be troublesome (and when in use will likely necessitate another PSU). I also disagree with the ass…

M.2 SSDs have almost zero idle power draw, if that‘s what you meant?

HDDs can spin down and will not draw much in that state. I think it‘s a reasonable assumption for a file server at home that it will spend most of time in spindown.

I have seen some problematic reports on external enclosures on Reddit, but maybe they do work fine in many cases.

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by Havoc »

flyinghamster wrote: post #217
Havoc wrote: post #155

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The pn51 didn’t ship with a 4700. You’re either using a pn50 or 5700

Oops, you're right, it's a PN50. Anyway, I'm still impressed with this little guy.

Yeah got the same. Very solid

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by smolder »

pizza wrote: post #120

Have to say my experience with Intel and ASUS lately has just been one of shoddiness/instability- 12900ks + z690 desktop build has been pretty unstable just trying to enable the advertised features in the bios (xmp for instance). So I wish them better luck this time..

XMP comes with no guarantees. If you are unlucky in terms of CPU silicon, or your motherboard has suboptimal ram signal quality, you will need to turn down from the XMP speed to achieve stability. You can improve your odds of stability at high freq buying motherboards known for good ram speeds but for the CPU it's always a lottery.

The 9700k I had was one of those unlucky chips that just couldn't do faster than 3200mhz RAM without occasional issues.

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by hot_gril »

sandreas wrote: post #132

I personally used an old NUC6i5 with 16GB Ram and 1TB SSD as my private "HomeServer" / "Media-PC" / "RemoteMachine" for a long time, mainly bought because it was (and still is) 5.9W idle power consumption while reasonable performance (way more than a raspberry PI at the time). I also spent the money on an Akasa Passive case[1], which made the device very expensive in total, but it was worth it at the time. It's still…

Personally my M1 Mac mini replaced the idea of a home server NUC for me. My workstation is also my server now because I don't need to worry about power consumption on it.

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Post by saltcured »

vxNsr wrote: post #274
tomsmeding wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

zUck https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-open_central_vowel bOOk https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_central_rounded_vowel

Must be a midwestern accent thing, I don’t pronounce book, “boooook” (as in what a ghost with a cough says)

Rather, I think some may be rhyming Zuck with buck which does not rhyme with book.

Edit: oops, smolder said the same thing but I was reading a stale page without the reply...

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by hot_gril »

hguant wrote: post #290
sandreas wrote: post #132

I personally used an old NUC6i5 with 16GB Ram and 1TB SSD as my private "HomeServer" / "Media-PC" / "RemoteMachine" for a long time, mainly bought because it was (and still is) 5.9W idle power consumption while reasonable performance (way more than a raspberry PI at the time). I also spent the money on an Akasa Passive case[1], which made the device very expensive in total, but it was worth it at the time. It's still…

I would argue that media pcs and home servers are becoming _more_ not less important, precisely because Netflix, Disney+ et al have become such bad stewards of movies and shows, both in terms of deleting content, and no longer being "worth it" for the price. Anecdotally, I know more and more friends and coworkers who are moving to having their own media servers because they don't want to have to hunt through differen…

I don't think piracy is a broadly popular method of watching media, not because it's wrong but because it's technically challenging and inconvenient. And if it started becoming popular, the industry would respond by either cutting prices or beefing up enforcement. Either way, the STB remains mainstream.

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Post by faeriechangling »

tonyarkles wrote: post #245
mikecoles wrote: post #230

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Needing that much horsepower for a screen or single application is a sign that anything requiring Windows should be automatically disqualified.

I used to feel the same way about kiosks, POS terminals, etc. but… if you have an organization whose bread & butter is C# desktop apps and Windows development and they’re looking for, say, qty 10 units, you’ll have a really hard time justifying the training and NRE costs to do anything but Windows. I 100% agree that it’s not the technically optimal solution. But don’t discount the idea that, given an existing set of…

Yup, exactly this. I tried deploying such system on low powered ARM systems that could technically do it. It was a nightmare from a support and compatibility standpoint. Also the vendor would support the hardware for significantly less time than Intel would support their NUCs.

The maybe dozen NUC's I needed were not a very substantial hardware cost. You bought a Celeron NUC and they just worked even if you didn't have the most experienced staff supporting them or the best software running on them.

If you're going to be deploying a thousand such systems, sure, of course you shouldn't use NUCs.

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Post by sandreas »

hot_gril wrote: post #304
sandreas wrote: post #132

I personally used an old NUC6i5 with 16GB Ram and 1TB SSD as my private "HomeServer" / "Media-PC" / "RemoteMachine" for a long time, mainly bought because it was (and still is) 5.9W idle power consumption while reasonable performance (way more than a raspberry PI at the time). I also spent the money on an Akasa Passive case[1], which made the device very expensive in total, but it was worth it at the time. It's still…

Personally my M1 Mac mini replaced the idea of a home server NUC for me. My workstation is also my server now because I don't need to worry about power consumption on it.

While the hardware itself may be astounding, the operating system is not my preferred choice for a server... even if asahi linux may already work well.

I tried TrueNAS Scale, Proxmox, handcrafted debian, Terraform+Ansible scripts and with all the problems it may have, Proxmox is my choice for over a year now and I never regretted it.

I already used the ZFS rollback feature [1] twice to get back where I was and IT JUST WORKS... never had issues so far.

[1]: https://pilabor.com/series/proxmox/restore-virtual-machine-v...

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Post by pizza »

smolder wrote: post #303
pizza wrote: post #120

Have to say my experience with Intel and ASUS lately has just been one of shoddiness/instability- 12900ks + z690 desktop build has been pretty unstable just trying to enable the advertised features in the bios (xmp for instance). So I wish them better luck this time..

XMP comes with no guarantees. If you are unlucky in terms of CPU silicon, or your motherboard has suboptimal ram signal quality, you will need to turn down from the XMP speed to achieve stability. You can improve your odds of stability at high freq buying motherboards known for good ram speeds but for the CPU it's always a lottery. The 9700k I had was one of those unlucky chips that just couldn't do faster than 3200m…

You’re correct. That said it’s kind of wild to me that the silicon lottery has stayed strong. They ought to be made to disclose when they are selling overclocker models that will not really overclock that well. Doesn’t seem right to have to pay flagship prices when they know they’re selling you something that won’t reach that level. At least package it as a lesser SKU or something imo

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Post by hot_gril »

sandreas wrote: post #308
hot_gril wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally my M1 Mac mini replaced the idea of a home server NUC for me. My workstation is also my server now because I don't need to worry about power consumption on it.

While the hardware itself may be astounding, the operating system is not my preferred choice for a server... even if asahi linux may already work well. I tried TrueNAS Scale, Proxmox, handcrafted debian, Terraform+Ansible scripts and with all the problems it may have, Proxmox is my choice for over a year now and I never regretted it. I already used the ZFS rollback feature [1] twice to get back where I was and IT JUS…

Yeah, the Mac is definitely for lighter home server tasks. I tried in the past to run more complex stuff, and it wasn't worth the hassle of figuring out macOS's differences vs Linux. Had PowerEdges in the basement once for a startup, but nowadays the Mac is enough.
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