Ten years of “Go: The good, the bad, and the meh” • Hacker News Board

Re: Ten years of “Go: The good, the bad, and the meh”

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Post by bborud » Fri, Jul 21, 2023, 11:56 AM UTC

Tainnor wrote: post #293

bborud wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if it isn't about trying to make things obvious, what do you think the goal is?

Huge code bases are never gonna be "obvious". It's all about optimising for a balance of tradeoffs.

So you claim that beyond some magic size limit a codebase cannot be easy to understand. Well, quantify it. At what number of lines of code does a codebase pass from the domain where it is possible to easily understand it to where it is impossible?

I suspect you didn't pay any attention to what I wrote about how people go about ensuring that large codebases maintain readability. That saddens me a bit because it means you probably aren't interested in learning anything.

Re: Ten years of “Go: The good, the bad, and the meh”

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Post by Tainnor » Fri, Jul 21, 2023, 10:06 PM UTC

bborud wrote: post #300

Tainnor wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is that I didn't presume I could give anyone easy advice about how to write good code. The only thing you can do is gain lots of experience, constantly question if there are better ways to do things, read about ideas others have had (without getting religiously attached), make your own mistakes, hopefully learn from them, overcorrect, then learn from your overcorrections and so on. I'm afraid there's n…

> On the other hand "write obvious code" makes it sound as if there's > an easy way to do it, and everyone who doesn't write "obvious code" > is just deluded, showing off, or something like that. There is nothing easy about writing code that is obvious to other people. After all, the point of the exercise is how you communicate ideas clearly to people with the goal of amplifying their productivity. That takes time, e…

> If your attitude is that it isn't worth trying because it isn't easy to do

I haven't said that and I don't appreciate you insinuating that I don't care about writing good code.

Re: Ten years of “Go: The good, the bad, and the meh”

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Post by Tainnor » Fri, Jul 21, 2023, 10:09 PM UTC

bborud wrote: post #301

Tainnor wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huge code bases are never gonna be "obvious". It's all about optimising for a balance of tradeoffs.

So you claim that beyond some magic size limit a codebase cannot be easy to understand. Well, quantify it. At what number of lines of code does a codebase pass from the domain where it is possible to easily understand it to where it is impossible? I suspect you didn't pay any attention to what I wrote about how people go about ensuring that large codebases maintain readability. That saddens me a bit because it means…

This is just an incredibly bad faith reply, and an insulting one at that. I don't know why you felt the need to cross into personal territory, but I will make a mental note not to engage with you again.

PS, please check my comment history before claiming that "I'm not interested in learning anything".

Re: Ten years of “Go: The good, the bad, and the meh”

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Post by bborud » Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 12:23 PM UTC

Tainnor wrote: post #302

bborud wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> On the other hand "write obvious code" makes it sound as if there's > an easy way to do it, and everyone who doesn't write "obvious code" > is just deluded, showing off, or something like that. There is nothing easy about writing code that is obvious to other people. After all, the point of the exercise is how you communicate ideas clearly to people with the goal of amplifying their productivity. That takes time, e…

> If your attitude is that it isn't worth trying because it isn't easy to do I haven't said that and I don't appreciate you insinuating that I don't care about writing good code.

Before you get too upset I think you should practice what you preach. I can only judge from what you write. I don't know you. And you have made assumptions about what I think or say, which I then politely, and at some length, have tried to clarify and explain to you. When you continue to argue in a manner that, at least to me, signals you are not interested in actually understanding what I'm saying: that's on you. You are obviously offended, and I would probably care, if it wasn't for your whiny, self-righteous attitude.

Re: Ten years of “Go: The good, the bad, and the meh”

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Post by bborud » Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 12:23 PM UTC

Tainnor wrote: post #303

bborud wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you claim that beyond some magic size limit a codebase cannot be easy to understand. Well, quantify it. At what number of lines of code does a codebase pass from the domain where it is possible to easily understand it to where it is impossible? I suspect you didn't pay any attention to what I wrote about how people go about ensuring that large codebases maintain readability. That saddens me a bit because it means…

This is just an incredibly bad faith reply, and an insulting one at that. I don't know why you felt the need to cross into personal territory, but I will make a mental note not to engage with you again. PS, please check my comment history before claiming that "I'm not interested in learning anything".

Practice what you preach.