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Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983

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Re: Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983

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I hope to see the day where interest bearing loans are recognized by the rest of the world as the evil they are. Muslims and Jews know this fact quite well.

This seems good in theory but hard in reality. The modern economy is built on debt being used for new investments. The problem is high interest rates, not interest rates in general.

Debt is being used for new investment? That can’t be right - it’s gotta be some form of credit, right? Maybe I’m mistaken.

Re: Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983

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The only service category that has outpaced higher education is hospital services. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/chart-of-the-day-or-century/

Most of the 'service' industry is subsidized by cheap foreign labor. Harder for Schools and Hospitals to hire illegal/unskilled workers.

Are you kidding me? Half the faculty at any college, no matter the price, are adjuncts, who earn $2500 or so PER CLASS PER SEMESTER, while the 30 students in that class are charged $2500 EACH for that class. It's as close as you can get to free labor for knowledge work, basically the original Gig economy; Uber for teaching.

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The government cannot and will not do that, because such a policy would have racially disparate impacts.

The government actually can do, and often does, policy with racially disparate impacts. Disparate impact is not a Constitutional limit on government discrimination, its a judicially-created rule in the application of certain statutory anti-discrimination laws. (And the disparate impact rule is politically and legally unpopular with the same faction that currently dominates the Supreme Court and whose members on the C…

I didn’t say it’s a constitutional issue. It’s a political non-starter.

Re: Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983

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If only governments could make…laws to restrict the price of University. Or…could limit the maximum loan size thus encouraging Universities to not charge more than that.

Proper solution is government to stop guaranteeing the loans and to allow people to put them in bankruptcy. Prices will collapse to what people are willing to pay in real time, or save up for.

> Proper solution is government to stop guaranteeing the loans and to allow people to put them in bankruptcy.

Proper thing is for the government to stop issuing the loans, and instead do need-based grants plus establish cost and quality controls for institutions that wish to be grant eligible, while prioritizing federal institutional funding other than direct student aid for institutions that, whether througj grant eligibility or their own pricing and in-house aid programs, or both, meet set financial accessibility standards.

Re: Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983

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It is free money for lenders because backed by the Govt AND protected against bankruptcy. It is Free money for colleges because they know they will get paid regardless. Remove this "free money guarantee" and watch how market corrects itself. When students can file for bankruptcy and/or the debt is not guaranteed by Govt, lenders would now use the same criteria they use to issue credit cards to 18 year olds. Hint: It'…

Yeah but I'm not so comfortable with a technocracy where universities become advanced trade schools, purely to increase your chances of getting a job. As the late Kaczynski said, students are grudgingly pursuing these subjects because it's the only way to survive in a country without real social services.

There needs to be some formal patronage of the arts, but I have no idea how to pursue that.

Re: Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983

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> lenders that are taking on too much risk The lenders are taking no risks since these loans cannot be discharged through bankruptcy. There are also very large late fees and penalties that can triple (or more) the amount owed.

Now I read that Wall Street is creating CDO's based on these loans, like they (continue to) do on mortgages. Some people die "early" without paying back these loans, and sometimes, they will owe more than they took out. Given the mounting problems with the numbers here, it seems a whole generation of people in the middle of this bubble are going to go to the grave while still owing on these loans. What happens to the…

Same time frame for me. Adjusted for inflation, I paid $56,000. That same college is now charging almost $130k for the same degree.

Re: Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983

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One thing that was mentioned in the article, but which seems to be missing from the discussion is the decrease in state funding for higher education. When I was looking for colleges in the 80s, the most expensive private schools were on the order of $20K all in. Those same schools are on the order of $85K all in, which is an increase of "only" (hah) 450%. However, my alma mater (SUNY Buffalo) has increased in-state t…

Take home after taxes is only 77% at $15/hr or $1830/month if working 40 hours/week https://smartasset.com/taxes/new-york-paycheck-calculator#eI...

As of July 2023, the average rent for a 1-bedroom apartment in SUNY College Purchase, NY is $2,696. This is a 12% increase compared to the previous year. https://www.zumper.com/rent-research/near-suny-college-purch...

Re: Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983

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I am beginning to believe that the root cause of tuition costs in the US exceeding inflation is based much more on FOMO on the benefits of college education rather than federal government guarantees on student loans. My claim is that buyers (parents+children) of college degrees are maybe not behaving rationally with respect to cost. High-cost schools position themselves as offering a "better" outcome or opportunity t…

The advantage of the larger school in my experience, is that its like going to a dozen small schools at once. Plenty of people I know where able to transfer from one good program to another in a completely opposite field once they learned what they actually liked (usually quite different than what you imagined as a highscooler especially if your parents have no concept of the field), because the school was large enough to offer so many good options and departments with a lot of interesting faculty. The class sizes are the same between big and small schools anyhow for the most part, but you also have an easier time scheduling classes (and taking certain ones “out of season” if need be) at the larger school. It scales horizontally rather than vertically as your student body increases, big schools have the pockets to hire more faculty and support more taships than smaller schools.

Re: Tuition costs have risen 710% since 1983

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> lenders that are taking on too much risk The lenders are taking no risks since these loans cannot be discharged through bankruptcy. There are also very large late fees and penalties that can triple (or more) the amount owed.

Now I read that Wall Street is creating CDO's based on these loans, like they (continue to) do on mortgages. Some people die "early" without paying back these loans, and sometimes, they will owe more than they took out. Given the mounting problems with the numbers here, it seems a whole generation of people in the middle of this bubble are going to go to the grave while still owing on these loans. What happens to the…

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