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Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by bigfishrunning » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 12:24 PM UTC

RC_ITR wrote: post #138

tomcam wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> She did not enjoy having first weeks of summer without a phone. Good for you. I know that kind of situation is not fun for a parent either.

Alternatively this is an analogue to a parent in 1985 taking their computer away from their kid. AI tools exist, we should be encouraging our kids to learn how to exist in a world with them, not some nostalgic extinct world without.

Computers in 1985 were a tool that took real skill to use. In order to solve any problem with a computer, you had to use your brain.

Most of the things a kid does on a computer in 2023 are actively geared toward not using your brain in any way.

This is more analogous to a parent in 1985 taking away both the phone and the TV from their kid.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by bigfishrunning » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 12:25 PM UTC

RC_ITR wrote: post #250

worrycue wrote: post #248

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Reading helps build vocabulary and probably helps improve her use of the language as a whole. It’s like running to lose weight but you decide to cheat by taking a cab instead. With math, when you are first learning the very basics it helps to do a few problems by hand to get a feel of things. Sure if you have a degree in STEM have have deal with advance math you can probably get away with just reading the theory only…

My argument is that reading is actually a very bad way to learn/communicate and always has been. We just built a very strong culture encouraging it because for a long time it was the most efficient way to do both things. Now it’s not, but the tradition of it being important is hard to shake. The closest analogue in my mind is how the classics in their original Greek were considered the only true way to learn for a ve…

For some people, it still is the most efficient way to learn/communicate. Nothing is more annoying then using google to try to solve some problem and the first few results are videos...

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by bigfishrunning » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 1:17 PM UTC

prvc wrote: post #70

Whose "faith" was shaken, and why ought that to matter?

OpenAI needs people to think that their statistical model is intelligent. Their whole business model is a bet on that belief. If "faith" starts to fail, so does OpenAI.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by fnordpiglet » Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 10:53 PM UTC

JohnFen wrote: post #279

fnordpiglet wrote: post #187

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In my construct I would say they’re charging for access to the POC to cover costs.

As soon as you're charging for a thing, it's a product.

In a literal sense yes. But being a sold product and being a finished product with a product strategy are very different states.

Re: ChatGPT loses users for first time, shaking faith in AI revolution

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Post by RC_ITR » Tue, Jul 11, 2023, 4:04 AM UTC

bigfishrunning wrote: post #301

RC_ITR wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternatively this is an analogue to a parent in 1985 taking their computer away from their kid. AI tools exist, we should be encouraging our kids to learn how to exist in a world with them, not some nostalgic extinct world without.

Computers in 1985 were a tool that took real skill to use . In order to solve any problem with a computer, you had to use your brain. Most of the things a kid does on a computer in 2023 are actively geared toward not using your brain in any way. This is more analogous to a parent in 1985 taking away both the phone and the TV from their kid.

>Computers in 1985 were a tool that took real skill to use.

Eye of the beholder, I guess. I certainly see people struggle to use LLM's so I disagree with the implication that it's a zero-skill activity.