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France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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United States, couple years ago my friend in his mid-thirties was feeling depressed after his mom died. Came over to hang out, and wasn’t responding to his sisters calls. His sister called in a welfare check on him and suddenly I have three cops knocking at my front door. They ask for him by name, say he isn’t in trouble. I go get him; he asks “how did you know where I was?” and the cops say “we pinged your phone”. W…

Triangulation by cell tower is really, really accurate.

Doesn't such tracking require a warrant?

Looking at call logs may require less.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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Don't forget the call to block social media sites during riots by the Frnace's president [1] [0]: https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230705-macron-s-call-to...

Same guy who likens himself to the Roman god Jupiter. Macron is an aspiring autocrat.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of interactions with police are peaceful and relatively mundane. Your view of police seems to be only informed by videos you see online. The only interactions you see with police online are either extremely wholesome or extremely hostile. The mundane and boring interactions with police don't get seen, because they are boring and not at all noteworthy because it is standard.

I have only had one interaction with police. It ended with them trying to pin the robbery of the store I was working at on me. They had footage of another person running, but couldn't see his face. They couldn't ID his car. The officer on the scene misquoted me and they used that against me. They took me for questioning without telling me I could have a lawyer, and without telling me that my parents should be present…

>But why would I ever open myself up to that kind of liability again?

Because the alternative of living in an anarchist society without law would be worse; where anyone can rob, meme, or rape you with impunity.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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United States, couple years ago my friend in his mid-thirties was feeling depressed after his mom died. Came over to hang out, and wasn’t responding to his sisters calls. His sister called in a welfare check on him and suddenly I have three cops knocking at my front door. They ask for him by name, say he isn’t in trouble. I go get him; he asks “how did you know where I was?” and the cops say “we pinged your phone”. W…

Despite all the technology in the world the majority of police work is still plain old-fashioned knocking on doors and making phone calls. People will always voluntarily give up all the information in the world to be seen as good citizens. In your friend's case I'm willing to bet that they asked the sister for the names of his close friends and acquaintances and yours matched up.

They just call the phone and the system will typically triangulate it if it rings. It's used all the time in search and rescue.

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United States, couple years ago my friend in his mid-thirties was feeling depressed after his mom died. Came over to hang out, and wasn’t responding to his sisters calls. His sister called in a welfare check on him and suddenly I have three cops knocking at my front door. They ask for him by name, say he isn’t in trouble. I go get him; he asks “how did you know where I was?” and the cops say “we pinged your phone”. W…

> the cops say “we pinged your phone”. What that entails exactly I have no clue.

The cell phone infrastructure knows where your phone is. It has to in order for it to operate. The police routinely ask cell phone companies for locations of cell phones. Many (most?) not only won't require a warrant, but provide an official portal the police can use to conduct their queries without having to get a phone company employee to do it.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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post #180

United States, couple years ago my friend in his mid-thirties was feeling depressed after his mom died. Came over to hang out, and wasn’t responding to his sisters calls. His sister called in a welfare check on him and suddenly I have three cops knocking at my front door. They ask for him by name, say he isn’t in trouble. I go get him; he asks “how did you know where I was?” and the cops say “we pinged your phone”. W…

> the cops say “we pinged your phone”. What that entails exactly I have no clue. The cell phone infrastructure knows where your phone is. It has to in order for it to operate. The police routinely ask cell phone companies for locations of cell phones. Many (most?) not only won't require a warrant, but provide an official portal the police can use to conduct their queries without having to get a phone company employee…

The question is how accurate is cell tower triangulation?
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