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The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by tough »

mcpackieh wrote: post #83
tough wrote: post #30

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Hahahaha I was picturing this idea before asking tbh... We sometimes get some customers who hate the QR's, or claim not having phone/signal/whatever. I'll lend them my phone to check...

I'd refuse to touch your phone and insult you for the offer. If you don't have a paper menu the question of me giving you money is already off the table; the food is forgotten and my new mission in your restaurant is to punish you with my vindictive attitude. If enough waitresses complain about obnoxious boomers giving them grief, I think the business owner will eventually wisen up.

I'd just try to get rid of you as fast as possible. kicking you out if needed.

You can be doing all this nonsense to an owner serving you.

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Post by xwdv »

acover wrote: post #280
xwdv wrote: post #233

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> Suffice to say I will not be using GlassDoor in the future You’ll cave eventually, they know this.

Caving into lying? That just pollutes their database.

It’s fairly trivial to detect bad data, especially when you know what good data looks like. And once you’re in, they can still get useful data even if you lied.

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Post by rcfox »

stOneskull wrote: post #292
Garvi wrote: post #62

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Aren't QR codes just a fundamentally flawed system due to how much easier they make phishing attacks?

i found out the hard way about that network of scammers. recently a friend had a serious motorbike crash and the hospital where he was at had a QR code registration. i hadn't slept and wasn't thinking. i just downloaded the first free QR reader from the google app store and scanned it. there was tiny writing saying 'open this link in browser' then a big green box in the middle saying 'OPEN'. i didn't even see the fir…

Your standard, built-in camera app should be able to scan QR codes...

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Post by mdale »

lamontcg wrote: post #115
slg wrote: post #108

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>How would the shareholders (your retirement funds included) respond when less profit was made? At a certain point, who cares? A company can exist indefinitely with any level of long term profit. They don't need to constantly be maximizing profit in the short term which is where these "fuck you" patterns generally arise. We have designed a system that has convinced everyone to never be satisfied or say they have enou…

A nonprofit that wasn't a publicly traded company would a viable alternative model. It wouldn't need to have the same insane up-and-to-the-right incentives and drive to toxic monetization.

Wikipedia "donate now" campaigns can get pretty front and center. Maybe not quite the same level; but non profits also have a tendency to push hard on donations.

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Post by Andrex »

slg wrote: post #108
janandonly wrote: post #70

I feel the same burning hate like a thousand suns for FB/Meta, Google/YT and other platforms that monetize their users. But, let's be frank here: They monetize you and me, us, the users because 1 they can and, 2, they have to. Yes, they have to. Imagine they provided access to their platforms for free. How would the shareholders (your retirement funds included) respond when less profit was made? You see, we view them…

>How would the shareholders (your retirement funds included) respond when less profit was made? At a certain point, who cares? A company can exist indefinitely with any level of long term profit. They don't need to constantly be maximizing profit in the short term which is where these "fuck you" patterns generally arise. We have designed a system that has convinced everyone to never be satisfied or say they have enou…

Exactly. You think Nintendo prioritizes quarterly growth at the expense of everything else? No.

Companies are not mindless money machines, they're run by people who make decisions. I feel like post-80s Americans totally lost the concept that a company can exist for more than five years and without constantly chasing a buyout or merger for an easy exit.

We need more founders to start companies with the intention of keeping them going 10, 20, 30+ years. Just my two cents.

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Post by fariszr »

rrobukef wrote: post #164
gavinray wrote: post #69

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Recently on mobile it's stopped giving me the option to even view the page anonymously, at least for adult content. It gives me: "This is mature content and may not be appropriate for certain viewers. To continue, use the app to confirm you're over 18 and browse anonymously."

If you open any post with a lot of comments and you want to load more comments you must create an account - no option to disable. They really want to smother all mobile but the app.

That's why you use libreddit instead of the official Reddit site https://github.com/libreddit/libreddit

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Post by akudha »

pnt12 wrote: post #274
janandonly wrote: post #70

I feel the same burning hate like a thousand suns for FB/Meta, Google/YT and other platforms that monetize their users. But, let's be frank here: They monetize you and me, us, the users because 1 they can and, 2, they have to. Yes, they have to. Imagine they provided access to their platforms for free. How would the shareholders (your retirement funds included) respond when less profit was made? You see, we view them…

Won't someone think of the shareholders? This denial of responsability is a cancer on society. Poor devs, they can do no better because their manager ordered them to. Poor managers, they can do no better because they must reach their OKRs. Poor CxOs, they can do no better because they must please the board. Poor board, who must maximize the returns of the shareholders. Poor shareholders, who just want their retiremen…

We can keep debating this all day long, nothing is going to change. The best thing to do is stop using these services.

Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Tiktok... We can easily live without them. Our lives might actually be better without them. Why are we spending time debating the ethics of these services? It is like fast food - just avoid.

When entities like banks, hospitals, insurance companies etc do shady shit, THAT is a problem. Those are necessary services, social media is not

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Post by tbrownaw »

mcpackieh wrote: post #238
luuurker wrote: post #209

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> I've never scanned a QR That's okay. It's also okay to prefer a paper menu (I'm the same). > I don't intend to learn how I mean, no one is forced to learn, but knowing stuff is not a bad thing. It takes less time to read a QR code than to type that reply. > I'd be compelled to stick around for a few minutes loudly insulting their business What happened to calmly explain your position and then leave without giving t…

The point is to sabotage the business in a more impactful way than merely walking away. Harming employee morale, and consequently employee retention, is an effective means of protest. If the employees get a sour mood about it and give other customers worse service, all the better.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiter_Rule

> "If someone is nice to you but rude to the waiter, they are not a nice person."

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by ProtoAES256 »

TheAngush wrote: post #186

I had an experience like this today when I tried to use GlassDoor for the first time. As a student making my first ever job applications, I wanted to see what salaries and work environments were like at particular employers. GlassDoor did the same scroll-locking tactic (so an element zapper like Ublock Origin's wouldn't resolve the issue), instructing me to register or sign in to view any information. So I registered…

For a circumvention method, I suggest using the following script

javascript:var r="html,body{overflow:auto !important;}"; var s=document.createElement("style"); s.type="text/css"; s.appendChild(document.createTextNode(r)); document.body.appendChild(s); void 0;

I bookmarked the script and click it whenever uBo blocks the site popup but not enabling the scroll. It works most of the time in my quite long usage.

Though I agree that we have a bigger problem than the scrolling on hand.

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Post by danaris »

OJFord wrote: post #297
danaris wrote: post #173

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They do not have to, regardless of whether it's what the shareholders would prefer . They only have to do what the shareholders demand if the shareholders actually vote to make them. The meme of the "fiduciary duty" meaning that profit must be maximized at all costs has been debunked so many times by now it's really not funny.

In what sense is it 'debunked'? I'm not aware of a meme nor trying to be funny.

The idea that execs of public companies have a legal requirement to maximize profit for shareholders, which is false and based on some misunderstandings of actual requirements, has been frequently stated (at least by commenters and pundits) as justification for companies taking awful and inhumane actions. ("Frequently repeated" makes it a meme; the word doesn't just mean image macros.)

The "fiduciary duty" rule that actually exists simply means (as I understand it) that execs can't legally enrich themselves at the company's expense beyond their agreed-upon compensation, without the approval of shareholders/the board.

So no; "every for-profit company" should not and does not have to take steps to maximize profit at the expense of their employees, their customers, and the public at large. Frankly, many of the ways they currently do this either are already or should be illegal, and are definitely immoral and detrimental to a healthy and functioning society and economy.

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