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Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by jasmer »

drxzcl wrote: post #246
jasmer wrote: post #233

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My gosh no, this toxic - it is not up to people to have contextualise or defend their behaviour given others' sensitivities. It is fundamentally bigoted to assume racism, and fundamentally up to people to provide at least some evidence or context if they suspect there is. The commentor is not going on the offensive, rather the defensive, as someone else brought the issue up. "makes you look (see, optics again) either…

That’s a lot of words you just put in my mouth. I’m not going to bother responding to every point you just hallucinated, but I do want to point out that I don’t think a crime has been committed.

You very literally accused someone of 'covering something bad up' because of a random post.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by [deleted] »

arp242 wrote: post #78
jxf wrote: post #56

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The people who don't think this is a big deal are either lacking some empathy or don't understand how conferences work. The equivalent situation is something like being warmly invited to a wedding, which you accept. The bride and groom then spend time gushing over how great it is that you'll be there, telling everyone they know, insisting that you book tickets right away. Later, you're told you can only come to the c…

It's up to you how you deal with stuff like this: you either turn everything in to a big drama or you just accept that these things are a part of life and can happen because the universe is a chaotic place. It's not like they lost their job or something; it's just a 2-day event. If adding some perspective makes me "lacking empathy" then so be it, but I resent the accusation. We can also turn that around: the organise…

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Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by adave »

wokwokwok wrote: post #111
indy wrote: post #88

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Much less weight should be given to someone "feeling uncomfortable" Rust the language is pretty good but the community around it has become really off-putting. The thick veneer of empathy and compassion quickly devolves into "idiot compassion" and emotional blackmail. Even the linked post contains the following: "I left because when I felt JeanHeyd's pain and disappointment at being mistreated and betrayed, my heart…

Is it bad of me to say I really just don’t care? If he did the talk. If he did it as a keynote. If someone else is “leaving rust” because of it? It all seems so fabulously irrelevant, I really struggle to understand why: 1) I should care (I don’t, currently) 2) People are coming out of the woodwork to criticise the rust team / foundation whatever when they’re not involved. 3) Why people having emotions (eg. The perso…

I think being apathetic about it won't solve anything either. An expert leaving a is a big issue as that brings about the underlying rot in the committees way of handling bad or fool hardy behavior from a mob. You maybe should care a little given the flaws it exposes in their processes or lack of managing the human element.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by quotemstr »

paddw wrote: post #266
indy wrote: post #88

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Much less weight should be given to someone "feeling uncomfortable" Rust the language is pretty good but the community around it has become really off-putting. The thick veneer of empathy and compassion quickly devolves into "idiot compassion" and emotional blackmail. Even the linked post contains the following: "I left because when I felt JeanHeyd's pain and disappointment at being mistreated and betrayed, my heart…

This whole exchange feels off. Essentially, the underlying spat is over a strong technical disagreement, but it is being prosecuted in this weirdly stylized language of emotion and abuse. I have no idea how something like this can be overcome so long as the core Rust community feels this is an acceptable way to handle things. Clearly this is something which extends beyond the immediate leadership team.

We've deprived a whole generation of the rhetorical tools for healthy, impersonal and professional argument. It's no wonder that they've pressed this "stylized language of emotion and abuse" into service to fill the void: it's all they know.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by skippyboxedhero »

indy wrote: post #88
junon wrote: post #77

Wait. Let me get this straight. Someone is an expert in this field. They're asked to speak at RustConf after a leadership vote. They've also written an article about reflection in Rust - a purely technical thing that is already pretty widely disliked conceptually. (EDIT: the talk was about this, but it's also compile time reflection and came with the usual disclaimer that it was not representative of any of the Rust…

Much less weight should be given to someone "feeling uncomfortable" Rust the language is pretty good but the community around it has become really off-putting. The thick veneer of empathy and compassion quickly devolves into "idiot compassion" and emotional blackmail. Even the linked post contains the following: "I left because when I felt JeanHeyd's pain and disappointment at being mistreated and betrayed, my heart…

Look at the leadership. They have a large number of non-technical people and placeholders. The reason why it has ended up becoming political is because Rust is run by politicians.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by [deleted] »

jasmer wrote: post #301
drxzcl wrote: post #246

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That’s a lot of words you just put in my mouth. I’m not going to bother responding to every point you just hallucinated, but I do want to point out that I don’t think a crime has been committed.

You very literally accused someone of 'covering something bad up' because of a random post.

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Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by drxzcl »

jasmer wrote: post #301
drxzcl wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a lot of words you just put in my mouth. I’m not going to bother responding to every point you just hallucinated, but I do want to point out that I don’t think a crime has been committed.

You very literally accused someone of 'covering something bad up' because of a random post.

That’s not what I said.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by Blackstrat »

The world has become a sad and pathetic place. If you're "uncomfortable", whatever that means, don't watch, whether we're talking about a speech, a TV program, etc. Don't try to ruin it for everyone else. You're just not that important. Life is filled with discomfort. You can't cancel them all. And as you get older, the discomforts keep coming. That's the real world. And when you retire and the doctors tell you that you have cancer or heart disease, that too will be uncomfortable. And guess what, you don't get to cancel that, because life really doesn't care if you're uncomfortable. Grow up world.

Re: Why I Left Rust

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Post by marcinzm »

bjornsing wrote: post #120
indy wrote: post #88

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Much less weight should be given to someone "feeling uncomfortable" Rust the language is pretty good but the community around it has become really off-putting. The thick veneer of empathy and compassion quickly devolves into "idiot compassion" and emotional blackmail. Even the linked post contains the following: "I left because when I felt JeanHeyd's pain and disappointment at being mistreated and betrayed, my heart…

> "I left because when I felt JeanHeyd's pain and disappointment at being mistreated and betrayed, my heart broke. I wept because of the cruelty. But I also wept because I helped create the system that could do this to someone." I’m a bit hesitant to say this out loud, but… you can only cry over this “betrayal”, “mistreatment” and “cruelty” if you have lived a very protected life.

To me it looks like both sides are acting very emotional over the situation and using very loaded language to push their agendas forward. I almost feel the author is using discomfort even more as a weapon than the person who originally complained.
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