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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by PuffinBlue »

tshaddox wrote: post #244
mikeryan wrote: post #137

One thing that EV's have an advantage of is the reduced footprint of their drivetrain. The primary bulk of an EV is the massive battery that usually spans the bottom of the car opening up space in the interior or the ubiquitous EV "frunk" this makes for a more spacious interior and the Y takes advantage of this well. That being said it seems that 2023 is the year of the EV, my family is currently in the market for a…

> That being said it seems that 2023 is the year of the EV, my family is currently in the market for a new car and have been pleasantly surprised at the breadth of offerings. My wife and I are in the market for a second car, after buying an ICE SUV at the beginning of the pandemic and having no car for 10 years before that (living in San Francisco). There’s a lot of options for a $40,000+ primary family car, but my i…

Don’t know if it’s available in the US, but we’re similar to you in wanting a lower priced second car and we’re buying an MG4.

They’re pretty reasonably priced here in the UK.

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Post by jkeisling »

kamranjon wrote: post #273
elif wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Toyota recently disassembled a model Y to study it and this is what their executives said: "Taking the skin off the Model Y, it was truly a work of art. It's unbelievable," "It's a whole different manufacturing philosophy," while another added, “We need a new platform designed as a blank-sheet EV."

Would love to read the source for this, do you have any links?

The source seems to be a February article from Automotive News interviewing several Toyota execs off-the-record: https://archive.is/0LZYf. The relevant quotes are midway through

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Post by Thlom »

kemiller wrote: post #141
newaccount74 wrote: post #105

Since other car makers are trying to cover the market by diversifying their model lineup, this is hardly surprising. I mean, just take BMW, despite seemingly not taking EVs seriously at first, they already have more different EV models to choose from than Tesla. So even if BMW would overtake Tesla in total EV sales, the Model Y would probably still get to keep the "best selling car" title...

Even if you total up all the models from other manufacturers, it still doesn't touch the model Y or model 3 for sheer volume. Add all 4 Tesla models up and it's a bloodbath. (This is in the markets people on HN probably care about, North America and Europe. China is another matter.)

Norway is the most mature EV market in the world, and looking at 2022 numbers Tesla sold the most cars, but VW is not far behind. 21300 for Tesla (most model Y) vs 20183 for VW (most Id.4), of which the vast majority (like 90% or more) were EVs.

So Tesla is strong, but they are not crushing the market.

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Post by tshaddox »

labster wrote: post #257
tshaddox wrote: post #244

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> That being said it seems that 2023 is the year of the EV, my family is currently in the market for a new car and have been pleasantly surprised at the breadth of offerings. My wife and I are in the market for a second car, after buying an ICE SUV at the beginning of the pandemic and having no car for 10 years before that (living in San Francisco). There’s a lot of options for a $40,000+ primary family car, but my i…

Toyota took a big bet on hydrogen power, so we’re not going to see an electric Corolla until they finally give in. As for the price point, electric production is still scaling out. And consumers don’t think they want vehicles with shorter range, even if that’s all they need. First, the car has to sell.

I’m not convinced by the common wisdom that “consumers demand longer battery range.” That’s especially irrelevant to the “second car” market which surely must be pretty big. I think it comes down more to how ridiculously cheap gas is (despite incessant complaints) and how long it would take most people to come out ahead even just buying a hybrid instead of a pure EV. It sure would be nice if gas were more expensive!

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Post by sroussey »

elif wrote: post #249
mikeryan wrote: post #137

One thing that EV's have an advantage of is the reduced footprint of their drivetrain. The primary bulk of an EV is the massive battery that usually spans the bottom of the car opening up space in the interior or the ubiquitous EV "frunk" this makes for a more spacious interior and the Y takes advantage of this well. That being said it seems that 2023 is the year of the EV, my family is currently in the market for a…

What makes you think the model Y isn't solid or reliable? I'm super happy with my 2021. I've also driven my Nissan Leaf since 2013 with zero shop visits outside of tire shops. A negative comparison on reliability with ICE just does not compute to me.

It’s funny because when a Tesla is given to a spouse it has lots of issues, but tech bros never seem to notice.

Which, honestly, can be said for lots of things.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #292
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #193

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> All scooters in large cities have been electric for over a decade A lot longer than a decade. But it depends on the city. Beijing electrified earlier (like 2004 or so), Shanghai followed, then you have smaller cities where gas was allowed for much longer. > They had a fully electric taxi service about 7 years ago. What city? Surely not Beijing. Maybe Shenzhen? > Inside the city medium size trucks (for delivering me…

"What city? Surely not Beijing. Maybe Shenzhen?" As you've caught on, I'm a bit fuzzy on the dates.. But I feel I was riding Caocao taxis in Chengdu around then? "Definitely not the blue trucks that are only allowed inside the 5th ring at night and cause air quality to tank after midnight" Yeah you're right! I was off the mark there. There are smog monsters at night thats for sure. Forgot about those haha. During the…

I haven’t been to chengdu since 2005 so you might be right.

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Post by what-the-grump »

renewiltord wrote: post #245
Mawr wrote: post #185

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- "Tesla was both the least reliable but most popular EV brand in a survey of owners that found one in three of all EVs had major issues in the past year" [1] - "Electric vehicles are less reliable than gas cars, according to a survey of UK drivers." [1] - "Kia was the most reliable EV maker in the study, while Tesla was the least reliable." [1] - "Consumer Reports Still Ranks Tesla Reliability 27th Out Of 28" [2] -…

This is one of those things where it's quite clear to me there's news and there's immutable fact. My friends have Teslas and they have never brought it into the shop. Everyone I know with one says they don't trust FSD entirely but love the car and use AP all the time. It's like the iPhone. When it was released to years afterwards, enthusiasts breathlessly posted about how it was nothing like the Nokia whatever or the…

Can confirm that it’s an iPad on wheels. I love my old suv, really great car but the Model Y is like getting off a horse and into a space ship.

There are features on this car that should be standard on every car in the planet, and one thing Tesla will accomplish over the next few years is force car manufacturers to implement those features. And not nickel and dime you for premium audio in two trims out of 12 and list 160 features on an about this car page. It’s bananas. Anyone that’s ever bought a Tesla will never step a foot into a dealership to be talked down by some kid about how they need to check with the manager about the price of a some mid fit bs suv, while trying to sell you a tire warranty.

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Post by oblio »

robin_reala wrote: post #255
ryantgtg wrote: post #146

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But if I take BMW, I see they currently have three all electric models on offer: iX, i7, i4.

…and the i5, iX3 and iX1.

And I think about 5 more models, at least, on the way until 2025.
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