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TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by tracker1 »

twelve40 wrote: post #288
screye wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> side-loading of apps on Android 90%+ users are never going to use apks. If this ban kills the network effect (the R0 of the viral infection), then the last 10% aren't going to last long either.

but of this keeps trending (more future bans) it will nudge more people to sideload to get around stupid middlemen who get in their way countries who engage in these bans have conditioned many non-tech people to learn to use vpns and other tools "sideloading" is the norm on desktop too, btw, and always has been

Doubt it... I seriously doubt even 1% of android users has even heard of FDroid or knows that Amazon has it's own android market you can load on your phone. That will really limit network effect overall.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by nickthegreek »

mlyle wrote: post #108
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why are legislators so focused on banning TikTok, rather than regulating whatever it is that TikTok does that they don't like There are two issues with TikTok: privacy and national security. The latter is what this is about. (Related to e.g. our foreign media ownership rules.) The federal legislation is trying to create an extensible system for forcing divestiture based on requirements you describe. This is more ha…

There's also the third issue, which is much more problematic to fix with regulation: short-form video is absolutely killing youth attention span. I know students who will ask another student a question, and then lose focus and zone out within literally 3 seconds and not hear the answer. This was not nearly as prevalent a decade ago.

And the 4th option - it’s eating American companies lunch and apparently the free market party thinks it’s now okay to take away things from its citizens based on scaremongering and innuendo.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by hiatus »

tracker1 wrote: post #301
twelve40 wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but of this keeps trending (more future bans) it will nudge more people to sideload to get around stupid middlemen who get in their way countries who engage in these bans have conditioned many non-tech people to learn to use vpns and other tools "sideloading" is the norm on desktop too, btw, and always has been

Doubt it... I seriously doubt even 1% of android users has even heard of FDroid or knows that Amazon has it's own android market you can load on your phone. That will really limit network effect overall.

If you download an apk off of a website you can install it just like that, no f-droid needed.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by nickthegreek »

citizenkeen wrote: post #32
Andaith wrote: post #19

"and demands mobile app stores make the app unavailable for Montana residents." Oh so now they've made an enemy of Google & Apples legal teams? Because those two aren't going to want to set a precedent for all sorts of bans across random jurisdictions.

They already do? Plenty of apps are banned in various countries, if I recall correctly.

These are states… should there be city level bans too? Where does it end. Now they need 50 different app stores just for the US customers? Does DC get its own? How should we handle US territories… I think Apple and a Google have plenty reason to fight this.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by bsears »

mateo411 wrote: post #283

I think TikTok could easily make over $10000 a day from its Montana Audience. Although this law likely violates the 1st amendment, perhaps the best course of action is to either ignore Montana or just cut them a check.

per violation per day could probably be interpreted as per user

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by threeseed »

barathr wrote: post #195

I wrote up a quick analysis last night here: https://ioc.exchange/@invisv/110387246627189198 Here are the takeaways: * It'd be easy for Apple and Google to prevent downloads of TikTok for most users, which would also include app updates, as they have a significant amount of knowledge of users' locations and could prevent most users in Montana -- even those using a VPN -- from downloading the app or updating it. * It'…

Almost everyone that uses the App Store has a credit card and billing address on file.

And they have mechanisms to require it for certain app downloads e.g. adult content.

So they won't need to rely on GPS or VPN data.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by knaik94 »

screye wrote: post #285
barathr wrote: post #195

I wrote up a quick analysis last night here: https://ioc.exchange/@invisv/110387246627189198 Here are the takeaways: * It'd be easy for Apple and Google to prevent downloads of TikTok for most users, which would also include app updates, as they have a significant amount of knowledge of users' locations and could prevent most users in Montana -- even those using a VPN -- from downloading the app or updating it. * It'…

> side-loading of apps on Android 90%+ users are never going to use apks. If this ban kills the network effect (the R0 of the viral infection), then the last 10% aren't going to last long either.

This is only a single state ban, the majority of content creators are unaffected. There is zero chance of this ban having any impact on the network effect. If anything I predict the opposite, people will become frustrated with the walled-garden of iOS, I can see people choosing Android over it for the sake of being able to sideload TikTok. I remember when there was a sudden aftermarket of iOS and Android devices when flappy bird was delisted by the developer. TikTok is obscenely bigger.
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