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Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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Re: Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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By default, our Mazda CX-30’s “Telematics Control Unit” transmits vehicle history up to MazdaUSA every time you turn the engine off.

However, you can disable this by following a procedure explained in the owner’s manual (basically, you call Mazda and give them your VIN.)

I’ve also seen similar “opt-out” procedures listed in a Toyota GR86 owner’s manual.

I’d prefer to just pull the car’s SIM card to be absolutely sure :-)

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My outlook is from experience. I used to be a believer in representative democracy, but I simply cannot reconcile that with observations anymore. Note, by the way, that I'm not claiming that changes don't happen in this system. What I'm saying is that changes happen when the ruling class is convinced it's time for them, not when the populace as a whole is - and no amount of voting changes that. The fewer people each…

I honestly can’t even follow this. So you agree democracy works but it’s bad for… reasons? Can you be more specific? You have “experience” but you can’t articulate it. Sounds like you’re just jaded. That’s not democracy’s fault.

I was complaining about representative democracy specifically. There are other forms that do not have the problems that I specifically outlined. For representative democracy, those flaws become more prominent as you scale it up, so on very small scales (like a small town) it works reasonably well, but it quickly breaks down once you have "representatives" claiming mandate on behalf of many thousands of people.

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What evidence do we have that these locations are deleted after 24 hours and not backed up or shared elsewhere?

Because that’s what Apple says and Apple generally doesn’t lie about their products. If you don’t believe them then the onus is on you to prove it, not for someone else to disprove it.

We do have clear evidence that Apple devices track our location, and we do not have ability to turn it off. We do not have evidence that logs are not kept or shared nor of the E2EE of those recordings. This is not conspiracy theory. We are asked to be credulous of how the largest market cap corporation in the world handles this valuable and sensitive data. The onus is on them to prove what they say, and if they cannot, I do not buy it.

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post #271

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Do you have a source for it being illegal for an owner to disable it on their own vehicle? Your link talks about it being required in new cars but I didn't see anything that said you couldn't deactivate it.

the logic is this: ecall is a functional safety feature of your vehicle, which, like tire pressure sensors or abs or ESR or whathaveyou has been prescribed to save human life's. it only phones home, so the logic, in case of a severe accident. automatic registry of any sim card with mobile network towers is just a technicality, according to that logic. ecall is a prescribed feature for homologation (German: Typzulassu…

In Germany only?

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post #297

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I honestly can’t even follow this. So you agree democracy works but it’s bad for… reasons? Can you be more specific? You have “experience” but you can’t articulate it. Sounds like you’re just jaded. That’s not democracy’s fault.

I was complaining about representative democracy specifically. There are other forms that do not have the problems that I specifically outlined. For representative democracy, those flaws become more prominent as you scale it up, so on very small scales (like a small town) it works reasonably well, but it quickly breaks down once you have "representatives" claiming mandate on behalf of many thousands of people.

Direct democracy doesn’t scale. It can and is employed locally but at the scale of the US it’s impossible. Our representative system accounts for that and is effective. None of your complaints are insightful or even coherent. You’re just whining. It’s not constructive, and I think it’s actually harmful. If you can’t be constructive then just be quiet.

Re: Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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post #271

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the logic is this: ecall is a functional safety feature of your vehicle, which, like tire pressure sensors or abs or ESR or whathaveyou has been prescribed to save human life's. it only phones home, so the logic, in case of a severe accident. automatic registry of any sim card with mobile network towers is just a technicality, according to that logic. ecall is a prescribed feature for homologation (German: Typzulassu…

In Germany only?

in Europe. details may vary but overall eCall is a EU thing, and so is homologation and regulations for safety features.

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I drive a 30+ year old car. It can easily last another 10 years. 0 tracking by the manufacturer. No subscription services needed. No annoying beeping when you forget to put on your seatbelt for 10 seconds. No touchscreen, all physical buttons. No Android/Apple spyware. No cameras. No ads on any display. No car-key that can run out of battery. It's nice.

Has to be a Saab 900

Toyota Camry

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If it is anything after about 2012 it probably does. Also if this hack is out of the software I think it is, I am not surprised. Some of the main devs were more worried about what a function was named than how to make it work correctly and securely.

how do i know if it's enabled? i've never done any sort connectivity thing in my vehicle.

LTE/3G/CDMA modem hanging off the can bus usually with some sort of controller. You do not have to enable it. The original use was to track vehicles during the loan pay off and remote shut them off for lack of payment. This includes GPS and other telemetry. They then added the 'buy wifi' package that talked to that. They basically wanted their own onstar. It made it easier to sell the cars/trucks into fleets such as rental companies. If I put anything on the CAN bus that device can see it all. Decode what this spids mean is a diff story, but it is pretty raw and unencrypted.

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post #188

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What are these obvious problems?

Expensive, limited range, slow recharge times, huge dependency on a battery supply chain, etc. Right now, people are obsessed about them but I think this is just temporary phenomenon. Once people realize that there are cheaper forms of green transportation that avoid those above issues, the obsession with battery EVs will end.

Battery EVs probably won't go away, there would be too much backlash against politicians saying "Actually, let's not bother," even if/when the US finally understands and embraces sane intra- and inter-urban transportation modes.

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post #257

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A 24 kwH pack (or less) along with a https://www.liquidpiston.com/ engine could provide for an amazing hybrid platform. I think these large battery packs are an obscene waste. Even the 24 kwH pack should be running in 24 electric assist bicycles. Anything over 50 kwH is waste and preventing someone else from going electric.

Those Liquid Pistons are probably the most interesting engine design to come a long in a long time, but they're still unproven technology. I haven't kept up on it but I think they've been working on figuring out how to get the engine to survive any significant length of time. I agree that huge batteries are a waste, but I think there's basically no future in fossil fuel ground transportation. Hybrids are a transition…

We should be open to manufacturing liquid fuels or growing them. Esp if they are used sparingly as a backup source. They are energy dense, portable and transferrable.
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