Is it Day-Toe-Mike? Duh-Tommic? Can somebody in PR or marketing help me pronouce this correctly in my head? It's causing me stress.
Day-tomic I believe
Datomic is Free
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You can also probably decompile it
Decompile it to Java - yes, decompile it to Clojure - highly doubtful.
There are projects in Clojure to decompile Clojure-derived Java bytecode to Clojure. It works pretty well overall since Clojure's compiler isn't too fancy.
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#303Is it Day-Toe-Mike? Duh-Tommic? Can somebody in PR or marketing help me pronouce this correctly in my head? It's causing me stress.
Die Toma Toe I think.
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#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
For 90% of the web devs that just spin up Postgres/MySQL, why would you use Datomic over that?
You have to add a lot of scaffolding to postgres to make it semi-immutable. datomic just is, wanna know previous user email, just go back and see. Out of the box, without thinking about it.
Super interesting, thanks.
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With AWS you can create a replica with a few clicks. Latency is measured in milliseconds for the three-nines observed usage. I don’t think this is a huge challenge (anymore) for Postgres or whatever traditional database.
A few milliseconds per query adds up if you're doing one query per item in a list with 100s or 1000s of elements :)
ah okay. in that case add in a couple hours to refactor those N+1 queries and you’re all good
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#306General PSA: Any open source startup touting their AGPL license is delusional. They will never be used at Google, Meta, or similar because of specific legal directives to avoid these kinds of licenses.
Good thing this is not open source. They are licensing binaries.
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Java records weren't even a gleam in the eye of James Gosling when Clojure was solving these problems at its inception.
Standard ML had records since the '70s. Both Clojure and Java would benefit from taking more from what came before, though Java at least had the excuse of being designed for low-powered set-top boxes.
According to the link below, ML records are mostly handled by hash-maps in Clojure, except that there’s no canonical key/val order or strict typing by default.
ML record:
{first = "John", last = "Doe", age = 150, balance = 0.12}
{:first "John", :last "Doe", :age 150, :balance 0.12}
fun full_name{first:string,last:string,age:int,balance:real}:string =
first ^ " " ^ last
Destructuring a map in a Clojure function:
(defn full-name [{:keys [first last]}]
(str first “ “ last))
https://www.cs.cornell.edu/courses/cs312/2008sp/recitations/...
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>used Clojure fulltime for five years. How did that work out for you? Usually following a hype cycle, there is a negative hype cycle i.e. Mongo is webscale, then Mongo is a buggy mess. Clojure seemed to just fade away. Did it turn out well or are there interesting pitfalls that make it not as great as advertised?
As far as the metrics state, Clojure never faded away. It's on an upward trajectory still, albeit slowly. Perhaps it faded away in terms of "HN hype of the day". That said, I've been (and currently am) a Clojure engineer for the past 5 years and loving it. Quite a lot of jobs out there, more and more each time I look, healthy ecosystem and friendly community. It doesn't hurt that it's the most paid programming langua…
The jobs seem to be pretty available in Europe, but I've been struggling to find Clojure work over here on the west coast of North America. I've had to bite the bullet and am looking for work in other languages now, though I'd really rather stay in the ecosystem.
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>used Clojure fulltime for five years. How did that work out for you? Usually following a hype cycle, there is a negative hype cycle i.e. Mongo is webscale, then Mongo is a buggy mess. Clojure seemed to just fade away. Did it turn out well or are there interesting pitfalls that make it not as great as advertised?
Clojure is just really niche. Even an ecosystem that stays the same size overtime is dwarfed by the continually growing, continually polished competitor ecosystems that will pull people from the small niches. The best things about Clojure are things you don't really appreciate until you've already done the work to learn them. For example, I never would have known how amazing it was to evaluate code inside the editor…
People who use Parinfer rather than Paredit when learning Clojure really like it. The concept is available in the Clojure mode in all the usual suspects of IDEs (IntelliJ Cursive, emacs Cider, etc.)
https://shaunlebron.github.io/parinfer/
The size of the community is not as important as the value of what is available. It's just not widely known, or maybe there's still much potential yet unrealized.
This is an oldie but a goodie on how interactive an experience you can have when using Clojure on the front end and backend of a web app:
This project is the most recent and most promising iteration of someone making a very visual interactive tool for introspecting on data structures in the REPL environment
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#310Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah! Yes, but not quite! It’s not freeware. The binaries are technically open sourced, you can do with them as you please within the confines of the Apache license.
I take that means reverse engineer, decompilation and extracting and reusing any bytecode you want.
That’s my take as well. It is definitely an odd license for a binary, I’ll grant you that.