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Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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When folks say that marijuana's a safe drug, it's purely in reference to the fact that it wont kill you. 100 shots of tequila in an hour will cause death; 100 tokes of marijuana will not. The problem this results in is an interesting one: marijuana growers are constantly increasing the per gram density of THC/cannabinoids in their plants. The consequence of this is that today's marijuana, compared to that of the '70s…

I guess because I live in a country where marijuana is fully legalized, I have never seen this as an issue. Our pot is labelled in the same way alcohol is, so you know pretty close to exactly what you are in for. You can buy weed that has nearly no THC and a whole lot of CBD. But we also have infused pre-rolls that are nearly double the strength of natural weed with no CBD. These are polar opposite experiences. Every…

when you buy a pack of beer, you get 12 cans each with 12 ounces of liquid containing ~5% alcohol. you open a beer, you drink it.

when you buy a pack of weed, you get 1 blob of weed that the purchaser has to divvy up themselves, then has to find a container to consume it, prepare that container properly themselves (blunt, joint, bong, etc), then consume all at once due to the nature of the process. then theres sorting out all the indica/sativa blens. the point is, the system is stacked against newcomers.

edibles are the closest, thats correct - but sellers pack edibles with as much thc as possible. cutting edibles into pieces then further removes the users ability to control the experience, but at least its similar to a pitcher of beer.

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I’ve noticed a troubling trend among psychonauts: any reports of terrible experiences or long lasting negative effects of psychedelics are waved away in two different ways: 1 - blaming of the person who had the experience, for not having the proper “set and setting”, or not respecting the drug. 2 - claiming that there’s no such thing as a “bad trip”, and only a challenging one that takes time to integrate. There migh…

> Currently I feel that there’s nothing about life or myself that I can learn on drugs that I can’t learn in other (safer) ways. Absolutely. I think the best way to look at the psychedelic experience is as something that shows you a different way of perceiving reality that you should then seek to translate into long term change via spiritual practice. For those who gets the most out of it, I don't hear them talking a…

“Once you get the message, hang up the phone.”

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If you did that you might feel bad and be dehydrated the next day but you won't be suffering from psychosis or have permanent brain damage. That's the problem with drugs. They're just not safe in the same way. No matter how hard the addicts cope.

Alcohol is more likely to cause psychosis than any drugs.

From my experience of people I know who've drank alcohol and who've used psychedelics, I'd say no, not at all. The psychedelics are probably >1000x more likely to cause psychosis.

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Anecdotally from people I know, I know three permanently mentally impaired from psychedelics and no one especially mucked up from other drugs/alcohol. They all took a lot of LSD like more than weekly for more than a year and mixed it with other drugs so it's hard to be definite about what did what but they had similar symptoms - delusions and lack of contact with reality. One went mental hospital nuts, one killed himself, the third I'm not sure. I'd avoid long term use.

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This is true for anything though. For example: I dance (professionally), surf and snowboard. All three of them have caused me injuries, though only one of them left me with something permanent (very minor, more of an annoyance thankfully) and people have gotten extremely serious injuries and even death from all of them. Should we stop doing them recreationally because of possible risks?

No, because they all have significant upsides that far outweigh the tail risks

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This is true for anything though. For example: I dance (professionally), surf and snowboard. All three of them have caused me injuries, though only one of them left me with something permanent (very minor, more of an annoyance thankfully) and people have gotten extremely serious injuries and even death from all of them. Should we stop doing them recreationally because of possible risks?

If the dance involved slamming your head off the pavement repeatedly until you start smelling colour then yes we would stop that form of dancing. That's why we have things like alcohol and don't have things like heroin. It's all about risk vs reward. Heroin makes you feel much nicer than alcohol but it's almost certain to fuck your life up so we don't do it. The head slam may be cooler than interpretive dance, but we…

> The head slam may be cooler than interpretive dance, but we don't do it because it gives you brain damage.

Counterpoint: there's a whole sport based on that and it does cause brain damage: American Football[0].

[0] https://med.nyu.edu/departments-institutes/population-health...

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I know people who have done this, not having any information to know otherwise.

I wonder if this leads to less alcohol use in the future.

I doubt it.

My first time getting drunk was somewhat unexpected. I was with friends and drinking screwdrivers, because I didn’t particularly like the taste of vodka and that’s all we had.

I had no idea screwdrivers should be about around 20% vodka by volume - I made mine half and half. I also wasn’t familiar with enough alcohol to know about how long it takes to take effect, or to judge where I was in the process. Between those two things, I drank six ~16oz glasses full before I got to the point that I felt a strong buzz. I stopped… but my metabolism didn’t.

I vaguely remember sitting in the bathroom floor that night, looking at my own vomit in the toilet, and thinking “Huh. That looks like blood. That’s not good.” The funny part (in retrospect!) is that is the only thing I remember for a six hour period or so, and that the thought was in a purely flat, narrative tone. I wasn’t at all worried about throwing up blood. It was at most a mildly interesting thing to have noticed.

FWIW, the next day I realized that it wasn’t blood. I’d eaten a spaghetti a couple of hours prior, and it was partially digested marinara.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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Drugs create altered states of consciousness, not get rid of it

Yes, sorry, I didn't frame it well. I meant the possibility of breaking your properly functioning state of consciousness.

That's a great way to put it. ("properly functioning state of consciousness") Because some folks would argue that the it isn't functioning. That brings us to the question of "What does it mean to be properly functioning?" which isn't by any means settled, although "experiencing 24/7 visual snow" certainly isn't it.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

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I’ve noticed a troubling trend among psychonauts: any reports of terrible experiences or long lasting negative effects of psychedelics are waved away in two different ways: 1 - blaming of the person who had the experience, for not having the proper “set and setting”, or not respecting the drug. 2 - claiming that there’s no such thing as a “bad trip”, and only a challenging one that takes time to integrate. There migh…

Does any of this justify making the substances illegal?

> but I worry that we’re underselling the risks

Anyone with an ounce of sense knows exactly what bans and prohibition lead to.

I don't mean to take away any of the "I had a bad time" stories, my point is prohibiting leads to worse times, mandatory paranoia, decreased likelihood to reach out for help in even medical emergencies, and that's without going into how areas which attempt to maintain a market for prohibited substances are turned into no-go war zones.

I would say the hand wavers are alluding to this reality.

I am a proponent of licensing of therapists and subject for their suitability to the psychedelic experience.

Not only is it not for everyone, it's suitable for a rare few who can take the whole thing seriously and understand the gravity of the experience.

At best, anxiety and communication between participants in a therapeutic setting can override any positive value. At worst participants can experience long term negative effects, as OP outlines, or end up like Syd Barret. (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2006/07/the-psychedelic-...)

That said, for those who do experience life-changing positive experiences, they are among the most valuable in their lives, and diminishing them as "fast" or "easy" is dishonorable.

One of the greatest issues with the human race is the idea of "if I think it's bad, then it's bad for you, too." (yes, indeed, switch the polarity, it's the same issue.) We seem to be addicted to saying what is best or worst for everyone.

In this age of ridiculous political polarization, driven primarily by complete imbeciles on both sides of the aisle. Psychedelics _can_ help some people see outside of their bubbles and reduce limitations in thinking.

If only we can treat such substances with respect and stop wrapping them up in cheerleading or doom mongering, we could probably benefit from them more routinely.

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I think I know the feeling exactly. I had recurrent dreams like that as a kid, that somehow always involved a large yellow sphere / ball. For some unknown reason I HAD to move that sphere, but I also knew it was impossible. It evoked this odd and terrible sensation emerging from two opposing mental forces: there was something I HAD to do at all costs but I also knew it was entirely impossible at the same time. My “ba…

I remember lying in bed with fever, as a kid, and there was a big CRT TV in the room. The TV looked huge to me, and for some reason, it looked as if it would never be able to fit through the door again. Thinking that the TV was stuck in this room forever gave me the deepest sense of dread. Something had gone really wrong with the world. What would my family do when they realized that the TV was stuck? Would they cry…

Something like that kept happening when I was 8-9 years old. The closest I can explain is with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_Wonderland_syndrome . I kept feeling like Gulliver as either in Lilliput land or in giant land. It filled me with dread and I felt that I couldn't talk. When opening my mouth I felt the motions really slow and it took forever to create words.

Rarely, now in my adulthood I start feeling similar but I realize what is happening and I can control how the objects turn big /small.

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