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Re: It happened to me today: $80/hr writer replaced with ChatGPT

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Post by alwaysbeconsing » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 9:15 PM UTC

bko wrote: post #273

alwaysbeconsing wrote: post #264

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It's not going to go away, though. If anything, the future looks like lower quality and higher quantity. The usefulness of ChatGPT's (and its successors') answers also depend on their inputs. In the limit, if there were no humans producing new material, there would also be nothing new that ChatGPT version N could tell you.

There doesn't need to be new material. Just mechanism to segregate between good and bad and that will always exist if humans are interesting. LLMs use reinforcement learning once they have a base understanding of words. It's like how modern chess engines don't analyze games, just play against themselves. LLMs go even further where they train a model to judge what people would deem to be high quality, so it's another…

That works because chess is a closed world. Without input from outside, two LLMs training against each other would most likely become raving lunatics -- just as two humans locked in a dark cell together would do.

Re: It happened to me today: $80/hr writer replaced with ChatGPT

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Post by ryan-allen » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 9:28 PM UTC

vineyardmike wrote: post #96

QuiDortDine wrote: post #77

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As horrified as I am for people whose jobs will be lost (including mine, quite possibly), "content" is such a plague on humanity I'm glad it will soon be devalued into the ground. Moutains of useless tweets and blog posts will be rendered meaningless when ChatGPT has all the answers. Dust to dust.

I both strongly agree (“content is a plague”) and strongly disagree (artisans, even digital ones, make society better). I’m glad that we’ll hopefully see the end of content as an industry, where people churn out text and images and posts trying to monetize attention by the penny. It’s inevitable as content becomes effectively free. How long before TikTok makes AI generated videos without creators? I’m pretty sure med…

There's also what society values. While I'm no art historian, it looks that after the invention of the camera, painters shifted to different styles that were not replicable by cameras (e.g. landscapes and portraits to abstract), and high society began valuing the new art, while continuing to value the old, the new shifted aesthetics.

I think that as we're progressing into a world where anyone can press a few buttons and get a dubstep banger in 30 seconds, culture will place higher value on different types of expression and experiences.

"We went to see a band play an entirely improvised performance, capacity was limited to 20 people and all recording devices were confiscated upon entry."

Re: It happened to me today: $80/hr writer replaced with ChatGPT

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Post by lagrange77 » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 9:55 PM UTC

bko wrote: post #273

alwaysbeconsing wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not going to go away, though. If anything, the future looks like lower quality and higher quantity. The usefulness of ChatGPT's (and its successors') answers also depend on their inputs. In the limit, if there were no humans producing new material, there would also be nothing new that ChatGPT version N could tell you.

There doesn't need to be new material. Just mechanism to segregate between good and bad and that will always exist if humans are interesting. LLMs use reinforcement learning once they have a base understanding of words. It's like how modern chess engines don't analyze games, just play against themselves. LLMs go even further where they train a model to judge what people would deem to be high quality, so it's another…

> LLMs use reinforcement learning > LLMs go even further where they train a model to judge what people would deem to be high quality, so it's another layer

You're describing RLHF (Reinforcement learning with Human Feedback) used by ChatGPT, right.

I wouldn't say that LLMs use it, but RLHF is used to create a higher level model on top of a LLM.

Re: It happened to me today: $80/hr writer replaced with ChatGPT

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Post by acuozzo » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 10:57 PM UTC

dividefuel wrote: post #114

I'm a technical writer at a FAANG and I'm terrified about LLMs taking my job. I don't worry (yet) that LLMs can produce better docs than I can. A big part of my role is speaking to people to understand what users need to learn, then designing an organization for documentation around that. Writing is of course a big part, but understanding what to write and what not to write is often even more important. Instead, I wo…

> A big part of my role is speaking to people to understand what users need to learn, then designing an organization for documentation around that.

If two consultants named Bob show up in your office place, run.

Re: It happened to me today: $80/hr writer replaced with ChatGPT

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Post by acuozzo » Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 11:09 PM UTC

gaganyaan wrote: post #123

PeterisP wrote: post #53

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If a team of five people with five "assistants" does the things that previously took a team of ten people, that means that five of these people got replaced by automation.

Oh no, 5 people will be freed from the shackles of a bullshit job, the horror.

> freed from the shackles of a bullshit job

Would you be spouting the same shit if losing your job put your ability to care for your dependents on the line?

Look, I get it. You're arguing under the assumption that this technology will lead us toward a society resembling "The Australia Project" in Marshall Brain's Manna, but choosing to ignore all of the suffering along the way just makes you seem like an dick.

It would be helpful to reframe the point(s) you're trying to make with empathy rather than /r/im14andthisisdeep-esque angst.

Re: It happened to me today: $80/hr writer replaced with ChatGPT

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Post by midoridensha » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 12:27 AM UTC

Gigachad wrote: post #134

sockaddr wrote: post #128

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You need to find better burger places if McDonalds is just as good half the time.

I have a list of known good ones but unfortunately it seems like picking any random place will quite often make something worse than McDonalds which is a pretty baseline decent burger. I've been told though that McDonalds in Australia is higher quality than other countries so this might affect things.

You need to try McDonald's in Japan. It's not gourmet of course, but at least it looks like the pictures on the menu and is put together exactly the way it's supposed to be.

Re: It happened to me today: $80/hr writer replaced with ChatGPT

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Post by midoridensha » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 12:28 AM UTC

xyzzy123 wrote: post #148

ulfw wrote: post #116

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What if surgeons get replaced by better robotics hardware (more accurate cutting techniques than a human hand) and better AI software. The premise that a more experience surgeon is a lot better than a newbie surgeon holds true. How do you become an experienced surgeon? By seeing a lot of cases and knowing what to do when things don't go as planned. What does AI do? It learns over time by seeing more and more cases. W…

Doctors have an unusually strong professional monopoly. In much of the world they regulate to maintain perpetual under-supply and to ensure they are inserted as bottlenecks in strategic/lucrative places. When AI comes for health care you can bet that doctors will ensure they have a key role in service delivery. (BTW: doctors are great! I just wish we had more of them and that on the whole they were less over-worked).…

The OP is talking about surgeons, not doctors. The two are entirely different professions; it's like conflating doctors with nurses, or doctors with medical researchers.

Re: It happened to me today: $80/hr writer replaced with ChatGPT

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Post by bufferoverflow » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 12:31 AM UTC

xyzzy123 wrote: post #148

ulfw wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if surgeons get replaced by better robotics hardware (more accurate cutting techniques than a human hand) and better AI software. The premise that a more experience surgeon is a lot better than a newbie surgeon holds true. How do you become an experienced surgeon? By seeing a lot of cases and knowing what to do when things don't go as planned. What does AI do? It learns over time by seeing more and more cases. W…

Doctors have an unusually strong professional monopoly. In much of the world they regulate to maintain perpetual under-supply and to ensure they are inserted as bottlenecks in strategic/lucrative places. When AI comes for health care you can bet that doctors will ensure they have a key role in service delivery. (BTW: doctors are great! I just wish we had more of them and that on the whole they were less over-worked).…

> Doctors have an unusually strong professional monopoly.

That won't matter. Once people find out AI/robotic solutions are better than the best human doctors, most will choose AI/robots, they will demand them. People aren't stupid.

Re: It happened to me today: $80/hr writer replaced with ChatGPT

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Post by bufferoverflow » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 12:32 AM UTC

midoridensha wrote: post #307

xyzzy123 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doctors have an unusually strong professional monopoly. In much of the world they regulate to maintain perpetual under-supply and to ensure they are inserted as bottlenecks in strategic/lucrative places. When AI comes for health care you can bet that doctors will ensure they have a key role in service delivery. (BTW: doctors are great! I just wish we had more of them and that on the whole they were less over-worked).…

The OP is talking about surgeons, not doctors. The two are entirely different professions; it's like conflating doctors with nurses, or doctors with medical researchers.

Surgeon is a subset of the doctor set.

Nurse and doctor sets almost never overlap.

Re: It happened to me today: $80/hr writer replaced with ChatGPT

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Post by midoridensha » Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 12:34 AM UTC

mjr00 wrote: post #222

midoridensha wrote: post #140

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>But a lot of output is very much winner-take-all: music, movies, TV. If you look at the state of current movies and TV shows, ChatGPT could do a much better job than today's writers. Heck, some high school kids could do a better job.

Could you provide an example of a hit TV show or $100m+ grossing movie that was written by ChatGPT?

A "hit" TV show? If you mean the very best-written TV shows, probably not. But an average TV show? ChatGPT could do much better.

I think your comment is epitomizing just what a huge blind spot people like you have here. You're comparing AI/ChatGPT with the very best stuff produced by humans, not the average. The average is usually lazy and bad, so it's really not a stretch to conceive of ChatGPT writing something better than that.

As another poster commented here, ChatGPT could have written the latest Top Gun movie. The aviation filming was great, but the story itself made no sense. I can definitely see ChatGPT writing something no worse.