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Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by PoignardAzur »

rswerve wrote: post #249
atdrummond wrote: post #158

Nothing will change. I was attacked in Christmas ‘21 in the Tenderloin, right after walking out of the KFC/Taco Bell on Eddy. Two cop cars drove by me and did nothing. It was only due to an ambulance finishing a run at Sutter and spotting me that I didn’t bleed out on the suitcase. I have video, proof of damages physical and financial, eyewitnesses and the info of the men who attacked me. SFPD will not arrest them be…

I don’t know your case, but it’s also possible that the police won’t make an arrest because police in America tend to go on low-key strike when a liberal prosecutor is elected, and then loudly proclaim that the DA is undermining the rule of law. This article is about a different kind of “police pullback,” but the underlying phenomenon—cops won’t work when they’re challenged—is the same. https://www.propublica.org/art…

That articles raises all sorts of "selectively including information to push a narrative" red flags.

Eg, one police officer interviewed says:

> “I made two arrests two days in a row one week, and both turned into paperwork clusterfucks,” the former officer said. “When you’ve accumulated two or three use-of-force complaints in a week, you’ll say: ‘I just need to stop. I need to stop doing this.’”

The article later interprets it as "police officers opposed to the consent decree that McGinn negotiated [engaged] in underpolicing".

Which is technically accurate, but also... The article implies this is political retaliation, as in "we'll let people commit crimes, that will teach you", while the interviewed officer's reported experience is "when you get reprimanded and asked to fill time-consuming paperwork every time you do X, at some point you stop doing X". (Or you keep filling the paperwork, and therefore spend less time patrolling and responding to calls.)

Don't get me wrong, police brutality is a thorny problem and police often actively resists solving it. But when there's a tradeoff, if you act like the tradeoff only has one side and the other is that the people whose jobs you're trying to regulate are lazy corrupt assholes, you're not going to make a lot of progress on solving the problem.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by rhaway84773 »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #278
kodisha wrote: post #267

I am very spoiled by living in one of the European capitals. It's super safe here, and it's normal thing to see young females taking a dog out for a walk in 22-02h. I visit SF at least once a year, and default to my learned habit of walking alone, and later at night. No more.

There are daily stabbings in London. Often by minors.

One would think that a comparison with the UK would be a smart one to make considering the media coverage stabbings in the UK receive, and the fact that homicides in the US tend to be conducted using firearms instead.

Turns out, shockingly to me at least, that the US also has a much higher deaths due to stabbing rate than the UK.

0.60/100k residents in the US vs 0.08/100k residents in the UK.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-...

That’s almost an entire order of magnitude. And on top of that you add the many order of magnitudes greater homicides in the US thanks to firearms.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by cromwellian »

chpatrick wrote: post #283
LegNeato wrote: post #270

My family has lived in SF since the 1800s. I recently moved because it has gotten so bad. I hate what the government has done to my city.

The last time I was in SF was 2015, and it was already horrible.

The murder rate in SF is below what it was in the 1990s.

There are far more dangerous cities than SF, which isn’t even in the top 20 in terms of crime. SF does have problems but there’s been a kind of relentless right wing attack on SF and CA in general that simply is not objective and it’s a rea irony because many of the red states have the highest murder rates.

We’ve got a serious problem in this country in many areas but it’s never going to be fixed by getting hysterical over crime.

This was an awful awful awful tragedy, but statistically, all of the people talking about how bad things have gotten apparently didn’t live through the 80s and 90s. We literally had vigilante groups like the Guardian Angels in the 80s because crime was so high. I’d like it if SF takes action to reduce crime of course but I’m skeptics of simplistic claims without knowing the core reasons crime dropped dramatically from 1980-2000.

[people voting it down but providing no rebuttal that the “gotten bad” claims are subjective and don’t map to actual violent crime stats. What has objectively gotten worse is property crime. If someone can provide stats that show violent crime has objectively gotten worse over the last decade or two, I’d be curious]

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by igetspam »

Mdubrov wrote: post #292

How many ex-CTOs of square have to die for it to be obvious that having thousands of junkies slowly decaying on the street in an orgy of madness and drugs might be a bad idea? Not that this should matter, nobody deserves to be stabbed… but I knew Bob personally btw and he was a great guy.

I knew crazybob too. Met him his 20s at Google. Haven't chatted with him in years but the Bob I knew would have have your intro to be offensive and in poor taste.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by petodo »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #278
kodisha wrote: post #267

I am very spoiled by living in one of the European capitals. It's super safe here, and it's normal thing to see young females taking a dog out for a walk in 22-02h. I visit SF at least once a year, and default to my learned habit of walking alone, and later at night. No more.

There are daily stabbings in London. Often by minors.

stabbings ≠ murders

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by that_guy_iain »

notamy wrote: post #289
kodisha wrote: post #267

I am very spoiled by living in one of the European capitals. It's super safe here, and it's normal thing to see young females taking a dog out for a walk in 22-02h. I visit SF at least once a year, and default to my learned habit of walking alone, and later at night. No more.

> It's super safe here, and it's normal thing to see young females taking a dog out for a walk in 22-02h. A small point about language, in case you or anyone else didn't know: In English, it sounds weird to use "female" as a noun to refer to people. If, in that sentence, you would replace "female"/"females" with a word like "man"/"men," then you probably want to be using "woman"/"women" instead of "females." Using "f…

>Using "female" as a noun for people can come off as dehumanising since it's how we refer to ex. animals in various situations.

Honestly, it's all about context and really the people say "oh he used female workers instead of women workers" what a pig are the people who are going to be mad no matter what they're literally just looking for an excuse.

And quite simply I find that demonisation of the word female to be rude and fundamentally sexist. We wouldn't have a problem saying "two males walking around" but in escence you would have a problem with "two females walking around". The fact being female is considered dehumanisng is a problem in itself and sexist. Being male is not dehumanising. See how that got turned around? You had good intentions then I got mad and used your words againist you.

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Post by maratbn »

atdrummond wrote: post #158

Nothing will change. I was attacked in Christmas ‘21 in the Tenderloin, right after walking out of the KFC/Taco Bell on Eddy. Two cop cars drove by me and did nothing. It was only due to an ambulance finishing a run at Sutter and spotting me that I didn’t bleed out on the suitcase. I have video, proof of damages physical and financial, eyewitnesses and the info of the men who attacked me. SFPD will not arrest them be…

Did Boudin specifically refuse to prosecute the men who stabbed you, or did the police simply refuse to arrest them claiming as an excuse that Boudin will not prosecute?

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by mrtksn »

isaacremuant wrote: post #273
kodisha wrote: post #267

I am very spoiled by living in one of the European capitals. It's super safe here, and it's normal thing to see young females taking a dog out for a walk in 22-02h. I visit SF at least once a year, and default to my learned habit of walking alone, and later at night. No more.

I never understand why people feel like they can make such generalizing statements as "One of the European capitals". Europe is not a monolith. Different areas also have different problems. It's like the whole talk about "walkable cities" or healthcare. Everything is frame from a US perspective and simplified to an absurd level so that no contextual criticism is possible without descending into weird political tribal…

Sure, all generalisations are wrong and it even depends by the neighbourhood but the highest homicide rate in Europe appears to be in Tallinn and it's on par with Seattle. The only very worst places in Europe overlap with the very best in US. San Francisco also appear to be on the better part, way worse than Tallinn still.

Even Istanbul, which is a 15M population city in a country with serious economic turmoil and and has huge number of refugees and illegal immigrants from war torn countries, is much batter than most of the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rat...

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by agentofoblivion »

notamy wrote: post #289
kodisha wrote: post #267

I am very spoiled by living in one of the European capitals. It's super safe here, and it's normal thing to see young females taking a dog out for a walk in 22-02h. I visit SF at least once a year, and default to my learned habit of walking alone, and later at night. No more.

> It's super safe here, and it's normal thing to see young females taking a dog out for a walk in 22-02h. A small point about language, in case you or anyone else didn't know: In English, it sounds weird to use "female" as a noun to refer to people. If, in that sentence, you would replace "female"/"females" with a word like "man"/"men," then you probably want to be using "woman"/"women" instead of "females." Using "f…

English is my first (and only) language and I’ve never heard of this. I would say that it not only doesn’t sound weird, but is totally normal. Who told you this isn’t correct?
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