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Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

smarnach wrote: post #295
CatWChainsaw wrote: post #291

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Unlike most of HN I am not a "computer person". I know not to click on suspicious links and that's about all that can be said of me. So I'm not sure if you're giving me a hint, or doing the equivalent of telling me to delete System32!

They explained how to trick HP laptops with hard-coded EFI paths into booting Ubuntu anyway. This will overwrite the Windows EFI, so only try this at home if you know what you are doing.

I probably wouldn't know but I appreciate having the resource!

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Post by jp0d »

Foobar8568 wrote: post #294
jp0d wrote: post #166

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Thanks mate. I'm in Australia and have seen these products online. Most of of them have good reviews. Could I bother you with a few more questions? 1. Have you replaced the toner yet? Does it accept non-brand toners (like the ones from InkStation?)? 2. Does the printer come with a full toner? As it with 100% capacity or does it only come with 20 to 30% like some of the other brands? 3. Being a colour printer, does it…

Hello, I haven't replaced the toner yet, Kyocera doesn't recommend to use 3rd party one. I am not sure if I will go with original one as the one from my printer was supposed to be rate for 1200 pages, but the black has 35% ink left after printing 220 "black" pages, and CMY@65% after 350 full color pages. Supposedly, it could print with only the black toner through a setting, but people online complained they couldn't…

Thank you for the reply. Yes, I'm a bit worried about long term support from them too.

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Post by jp0d »

bombcar wrote: post #241
jp0d wrote: post #154

Has anyone used Kyocera or Lexmark laser printers? I was considering buying a laser printer and HP was on the bottom of my list to consider. Thanks to their action I can exclude that option.

Dell printers were rebranded Lexmark, and I liked them 5+ years ago.

Thank you for the reply.

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Post by AuthorizedCust »

account42 wrote: post #251
AuthorizedCust wrote: post #248

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> A lot of products really have gotten shittier replacements. A perpetual pattern in humanity is this refrain coming from old people. :-) You can find examples of it from centuries ago.

A lazy response in online discussions is this idea that "old man yells at clouds" is somehow an argument for how things have not gotten worse. We are in a thread discussing an instance where a company is making their product worse FFS.

It is reducing the value of something merely to one attribute.

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Post by time0ut »

lchengify wrote: post #23

For those of you who haven't already, I highly recommend just biting the bullet and switching from HP to Brother for your home printing needs. I was a HP customer for decades . I had models going back to perforated paper dot-matrix printers. Finally last year I had a down-and-out fight to get my HP to do a basic task, and I bit the bullet and ordered a Brother at the recommendation of my friend. My mfc-l3750cdw Broth…

A year ago I came home to find my wife on the verge of tears. She needed to print something for our child’s school and the printer was out of ink. Again. After having only printed 50 pages since the last time.

I bought a brother color laser (HL-L3290CDW). She was skeptical as it was much more expensive than the HP inkjet we had. A few weeks later, she called me randomly to thank me for getting it telling me how fantastic it was and how much easier it had made her life. First time she’s done that for any tech stuff I’ve gotten her.

I’ll never but another HP product.

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Post by l8rlump »

Not only this, but our HP Pagewide inkjet machine will even refuse to use genuine ink if it’s “out of date”. I.e, its manufacture date was more than a couple of years ago. Also consider that the ink can sit on the shelf at the store or Managed Service Provider for this entire time and therefore go into landfill without ever being used in a machine.

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Post by TomSwirly »

linuxftw wrote: post #247
zinekeller wrote: post #213

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It's less of cheating and more of toner is not heavy enough to maintain the desired darkness (it's a passive toner system, the toner uses its own weight to print). It's honestly wasteful but unfortunately active toner systems costs more and is much heavier than the already-heavy passive toner systems.

Sounds like you could remove the leftover toner from the first canister and add it to a second one after some use, reducing waste and not having the darkness issues. But they're not refillable, you might say. Usually they're thinwalled plastic, nothing a little knife and some duct tape can't solve.

> Sounds like you could remove the leftover toner from the first canister

I am big on antiwaste, but if you have ever accidentally released toner, you realize that it's a very fine powder that aerosolizes easily and stains everything it touches.

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Post by gnramires »

1123581321 wrote: post #172
autoexec wrote: post #139

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Do you think they really believe those things or are those just the things they say to convince themselves and each other that what they are doing is fine while deep down they know that it's wrong and that they're acting out of greed and are making the world worse. > Advocating for consumer welfare or improving the industry reputation falls completely flat. They don’t believe it’s what the market wants. Or they just…

Yes, there were some true believers (particularly owners of regional distributors.) There were also people who were detached, but for other reasons (work to travel, overwork, weird attitudes due to headcount games, contractors only seeing dollar signs.) There were objections but perennial objectors weren't welcome in these meetings. Successful objections, moral or not, were couched in language of customer personas, m…

Makes you what's possible if most companies were Open Source down to the hardware level.

LumenPnP (https://opulo.io/products/lumenpnp) is fully OSHW, and that I think really aligns the interests of the developer and users. I really dream of a completely open society!

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Post by 93po »

Algemarin wrote: post #29

What I find notable whenever something like this is in the news, is that these user-hostile features don't just manifest through abiogenesis, or spontaneous generation. User-hostile features are created by people. Just once, I would like to see an AMA by someone who was directly involved in creating a user-hostile feature - whether it's locking down printers or any of the countless other examples that come up on a we…

I've had a job that I felt bad about - they bought old, non-collectible debt for pennies on the dollar and called and sort of tricked people into making payments on old debts to "renew" the debt so that they could legally collect on it. They did it under the guise of "here's a chance to build your credit!" but I doubt the most people who signed up realized they legally didn't have to pay.

I got paid all of $50k to be a financial analyst there. I was young and straight of out school with a shit job economy and needed to pay rent and buy food. I also took comfort in working there for a year and a half doing virtually zero work.

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Post by m463 »

kappuchino wrote: post #279
m463 wrote: post #274

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It does not have a switch like I think you like - a switch near the power cord that cuts all power to the printer. It does have a power button (near the wifi button) but I expect that is a soft switch of some sort. That said, I plug peripherals like this into a power strip with individual switches for each outlet.

OT: Thank you so much for the reply. One more question: Does the Printer remember its Power state - like if the relais cuts it off and then it turns on again once it regains power? That would be super awesome to know and something I could not research on the net :-(. I'm happy with my HL-2130 (dirt cheap repleacement for drum (15€) and toner (10€)) for now, but some day in the future ...

If I turn on power to the printer from the power strip, it immediately powers up and will print. I think it has some sort of power-saver mode after it is done printing, but when I'm done I usually cut power to the printer at the power strip anyway.
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