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At this point, I'm curious which you think is which.
I'm with you. I honestly have no idea which one the commenter is talking about.
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Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT
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Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT
#302The blowback about googles response is unreasonable. Everyone is making some wild assumptions about gpt-based search. We don’t even know yet if it’s fit to replace a search engine.
Why not wait for a moment and see what unfolds? ChatGPT has only been alive for a few months. Why does google need an answer immediately? They should take their time and be calculated instead of rushing out some half baked AI search solution.
How is GPT-search supposed to be profitable anyways? The traditional model of targeted advertising would be insufferable if injected into a chat bot.
Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT
#303When Sundar doesn't react fast enough: Google's gone. They no longer have the ship-fast mentality of an upstart. Perfect is the enemy of the good. The ethics lords have taken over Google Brain. Google needs a war-time CEO. When Sundar reacts fast enough: Google's gone. The product was rushed. It is no where close to perfect. Could it be Google's been bluffing about its AI. What a knee-jerk reaction. Google needs a wa…
My take...
> When Sundar doesn't react fast enough
They are like Xerox. Search-heads (reference to copy-heads)
> When Sundar reacts fast enough
This is exactly how a company with their thumb on the pulse of the internet should be reacting. The tech is already out there - at its infancy. This will not be Google+ 2.0...
> Satya in Redmond
Oh, no... let's rush this out now!! We can't lose momentum. This is our chance!!!
(In the last few days we've seen articles: Their demo was littered with errors, tons of factual errors surfacing, GPT-Bing getting "angry" with a user while making stuff up).
I think this was always going to play out this way. There was no other way it could go. We are beta-testing both (1) the products and (2) our ability to think critically when the results are spewed out.
Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT
#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nope. I am somewhat in disbelief about the level people here downgrade the recent Bing upgrade. The chatbot feature is a such a time saver for jobs where you need to write tons of abstract surface-level content. Just yesterday, I tried compiling a monthly teachers working plan for some local school in Ukrainian language. What it spawned in a minute was at least a day of typing work for a human. This is especially use…
At this point, we don't know how useful it will turn out to be. While we are trading anecdotes, here's mine. I asked chatGPT who the Exec team of a medium sized company I knew, was. It confidently stated seven names. Turns out three of them it categorized under a different title and another three never even worked at the company! I would hardly call this a bootstrappble result. In your example, if I told that at rand…
You’re not using ChatGPT correctly.
Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT
#305When Sundar doesn't react fast enough: Google's gone. They no longer have the ship-fast mentality of an upstart. Perfect is the enemy of the good. The ethics lords have taken over Google Brain. Google needs a war-time CEO. When Sundar reacts fast enough: Google's gone. The product was rushed. It is no where close to perfect. Could it be Google's been bluffing about its AI. What a knee-jerk reaction. Google needs a wa…
Google didn’t act fast enough over the last year but acted too fast over the last month.
If Google was able to launch anything Bard related that someone could use -even if flawed- I think most people would call it a win. It would mean that Google takes it seriously but also has the tech on a shelf in a usable form. Google was understandably not worried about search until ChatGPT. Once the first whiff of search-replacement discussions happened in November, Google should have started scheduling a February release and prepped a plan. Or a marketing campaign warning about lying AIs or something real.
FWIW, I think it’s probably good that they didn’t release anything. If an AI search goes poorly, bing gets all the bad press. If it goes well, they can swoop in and say “now let the search engine you actually want do it”.
Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT
#306Earlier quoted context omitted.
From some of the reporting it sounds like AI was in a bit of a cold war that accidentally turned hot. OpenAI got it into their head that someone else was going to release a chat bot imminently, so they panicked and raced to release their own, which is why it's GPT3 based, doesn't have up to date info and has all sorts of other problems. OpenAI panicked and rushed something out and now Google is doing the same. All of…
Some important points about large language models verses self-driving cars: 1. The former is entirely in software and has the favorable economics that brings with it 2. Language models don't need to be that good to provide value, whereas self-driving cars basically need to be solved before they become significantly useful 3. There's a cottage industry of secondary startups being built around using language models for…
> The former is entirely in software and has the favorable economics that brings with it
You still need data labelling, which is not done by software and which is quite difficult to scale up and to carry out in a consistent manner. I know that most probably there are self-learning LLM models that would partly alleviate that issue, but (absent AGI) I don't think that they'll really solve the problem going forward.
Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT
#307When Sundar doesn't react fast enough: Google's gone. They no longer have the ship-fast mentality of an upstart. Perfect is the enemy of the good. The ethics lords have taken over Google Brain. Google needs a war-time CEO. When Sundar reacts fast enough: Google's gone. The product was rushed. It is no where close to perfect. Could it be Google's been bluffing about its AI. What a knee-jerk reaction. Google needs a wa…
Sundar faces intense spotlight because his background is McKinsey and Product Management . In core engineering and tech circles that’s the ultimate enemy and sell out.
IMO Sundar hasn’t demonstrated the type of tech leadership like Satya or Zuck has. I am no fan of Zuck but he has a product he wants to pursue ( Metaverse) and is sticking to his guns to make it happen . Sundar just comes across as a pleasant McKinsey consultant who has seen ads and search as a cash cow and is focused on extracting as much cash from it to appeal to shareholders and others . There is no underlying tech vision or guts.
Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT
#308The blowback about googles response is unreasonable. Everyone is making some wild assumptions about gpt-based search. We don’t even know yet if it’s fit to replace a search engine. Why not wait for a moment and see what unfolds? ChatGPT has only been alive for a few months. Why does google need an answer immediately? They should take their time and be calculated instead of rushing out some half baked AI search soluti…
>We don’t even know yet if it’s fit to replace a search engine.
Entrenched tech companies are desperate for the next big thing. Tech is pretty stale right now. I suspect they're trying to will ChatGPT to be that. Think 3D TV's and VR. Kinda cool for the 30 seconds you play with it at the store, but just doesn't quite capture the imagination much longer after that.
Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT
#309Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT
#310Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nope. I am somewhat in disbelief about the level people here downgrade the recent Bing upgrade. The chatbot feature is a such a time saver for jobs where you need to write tons of abstract surface-level content. Just yesterday, I tried compiling a monthly teachers working plan for some local school in Ukrainian language. What it spawned in a minute was at least a day of typing work for a human. This is especially use…
At this point, we don't know how useful it will turn out to be. While we are trading anecdotes, here's mine. I asked chatGPT who the Exec team of a medium sized company I knew, was. It confidently stated seven names. Turns out three of them it categorized under a different title and another three never even worked at the company! I would hardly call this a bootstrappble result. In your example, if I told that at rand…
You’re not using it right. LLM fundamentally don’t know s*t about this company’s exec team. Maybe some names are statistically close to the company name in vector-space but no guarantee (as you discovered).
The LLM won’t revolutionize search as it is today for factual queries. They’re Clippy 2.0. It’s great people are finding use for the models, but I wish this search story would be balanced out a bit.
I was laid off recently, and I’m using the LLM to write a bunch of cover letters. I give it my resume, a blurb about the company and job and a bit about what I like about work, and it outputs a cover letter. I don’t like writing BS cover letters where I pretend I majored in the company mission and my whole life has been teaching me their values. GPT can do that for me though- and yes I fact check but I’m fact checking against my resume and personal opinions which I obviously know quite well.