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Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by iinnPP »

Izkata wrote: post #246
Rebelgecko wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. If they're STILL running multiple stories per hour after all this time, it must be a big deal, right? Seems to contradict the narrative that the media is now trying to hide what happened.

> is now trying to hide The story seems to be blowing up now, after people were saying last week it wasn't getting much attention.

It's hilarious watching the 3 threads on HN surrounding this topic.

First had one brand new account uttering psyop nonstop with zero evidence. All their posts were flagged before the story went from front page to gone in 2secs.

The second one had several accounts saying the exact same message, in the exact format and wording as the first. And a few extras with similar but clearly different people. Also went from front page to nowhere in 2secs.

This being the third I noticed is absolutely full of these opinions. Which are entirely conspiracy theories.

If a group of activists choose this story as their attack vector, so be it. Clearly it is interesting enough to keep on fire. There's also a lot of unanswered questions and nobody has been held to any sort of account.

Maybe if we jail an executive for this we will stop seeing it.

It's just one executive, who cares.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by iinnPP »

aworks wrote: post #272
ChickenNugger wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Pollution and toxic destruction needs to trigger a commensurate fine both for clean up and punitive damages sufficient to motivate big business to proactively avoid these events It's going to dump into the Ohio river and spread this over the planet, just like C-8. Less than a month after Biden made it illegal for rail workers to strike. No political party taking corporate money is your friend.

My priors: I've lived in (chemically toxic) Silicon Valley for decades near a long-term Superfund site created by a long-gone semiconductor facility. I'm also a former Midwestener who understands the importance of the Ohio River ecosystem. In my personal sense of current importance, balloons over North American, maybe all from China, get my news and political attention since it could have both personal and global imp…

I would worry far more about local unrest than a "spy" balloon you could see with your eyes. Especially from SV.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by iinnPP »

hgsgm wrote: post #57
AtomicOrbital wrote: post #14

Evidently this briefly hit the mass tv news cycle then went silent... This deserves wide scale attention... Pollution and toxic destruction needs to trigger a commensurate fine both for clean up and punitive damages sufficient to motivate big business to proactively avoid these events Looks like media has been told to drop this story... Or even worse to self censor anything outside it's allowed news topic criteria

If you open your eyes you can see more clearly. This story has been covered extensively

You can lose your job for supporting Harry Potter but if your policies derail a train and force 500 people to evacuate (which is an offence to free movement btw) you are safe.

The coverage isn't the issue. It's the lack of accountability being talked about.

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Post by tremon »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #268
gorgoiler wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These trains are over 3 miles long . This is to amortise the overhead of staffing? The locomotives and their cost scale linearly with the train, but the engineers do not?

that's part of it but not the main reason. the main reason is that if you make the cargo train too big to fit into the pull off on single tracked rail, then passenger trains have to yield to the cargo trains.

I have a grudging admiration for the sociopath that came up with that solution. Still, it has an easy fix: make it illegal to run a train that does not fit into the pull off.

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Post by irthomasthomas »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #2

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This event happened February 3rd.

11 DAYS AGO. Thanks for proving OPs point.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by iinnPP »

creato wrote: post #188

On my mainstream media outlet of choice, I’m pretty sure there has been a front page headline about the derailment at least half of the days since it occurred. This “quietly” “they don’t want you to know” meme is just bullshit superiority cynicism and/or clickbait.

The story here is less about the train and more about the lack of response. Which is why it took a while to get where it is.

People said it was unsafe.

Officials disagreed.

Proof is provided.

Nobody has pie on their face.

The story is about a lack of pie.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by iinnPP »

King-Aaron wrote: post #77
Johnny555 wrote: post #61

One conspiracy theory floating around is that the UFO shoot downs came at a fortuitous time to keep this chemical spill off the front page.

Yes, and it's being mostly spread by people who are fixated on conspiracies.

Your comment itself is a conspiracy theory though.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Post by irthomasthomas »

rhaway84773 wrote: post #114
rhaway84773 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The previous HN comments were also filled with “the media is not covering this!”. With the HN post linking to the Guardian and the top comment I saw at the time being a link to the NYTimes. There may be legitimate arguments about whether it should get more coverage relative to other news, but it isn’t a conspiracy. It’s simple. People don’t want read/hear about this stuff in the US and US news, unfortunately, is a co…

I searched for this. There are 4 pieces in the NYTimes alone. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/04/us/train-derailment-fire-... https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000008756189/ohio-train-... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/06/us/ohio-derailment-chemic... https://www.nytimes.com/article/ohio-train-derailment.html?s...

I searched for this

That's the point.

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Post by kevviiinn »

ChickenNugger wrote: post #230
Izkata wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Biden decided the broader economy was a bigger priority than 100,000 freight rail workers having any paid sick leave in their next contract. After campaigning as the most pro-union presidential candidate in history, Biden signed into law a measure that makes a rail strike illegal. Forcing it like that is not capitalism.

The greatest trick capitalism ever pulled is convincing people that it's not a form of government.

That's exactly the thing, get people to hyper focus on the individual and they miss the forest for the trees.

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Post by wnevets »

trashtester wrote: post #287
wnevets wrote: post #139

I got to know, do the pro nuclear crowd really want to live down wind of a nuclear power plant when they will be run by the same business processes and deregulation that lead to this disaster, Fukushima, the BP oil rig disaster, etc?

I would much rather live next door to a nuclear plant than almost any other type of large scale power plant, including wind and hydro (assuming I was downstream to the hydro). Being afraid of a nuclear plant is like being afraid of flying. In fact, flying is way, way more dangerous. Even if you ONLY consider radiation exposure, a few hours in a plane per year will eclipse the increase in exposure the average person l…

And what makes it so safe the tech or the government regulations?
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