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Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

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Post by esailija »

flumpcakes wrote: post #276
sambeau wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "at 3 AM, I was driving home. Two deadly drunk 18-years-old girls in dark clothes decided somehow to crawl across a poorly lit highway" There but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford.

You drive to your conditions, there's no excuse. If you are driving so fast at night that your lights don't illuminate enough ahead to perform a safety stop then you are driving too fast. It's astounding that anyone defends this person for the manslaughter, and blames the women he harmed, and the completely lack of empathy... "deadly drunk", one of them is now, because of the author.

Yeah no-one drives on a highway to conditions where there might be a human laying on the road waiting to be killed. Even self driving cars killed people in better conditions (person was walking on highway not laying there).

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Post by throwaway290 »

newswasboring wrote: post #294
throwaway290 wrote: post #267

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Did he look though? Maybe he is not aware this is a possibility. Even if he cannot leave Russia there are likely russian companies that would pay him and be even happy if he contributes to OSS. I know Qiwi, Yandex publish and maintain packages

Yeah but if the statement is a guy like this could find something like this, then the answer is no. I think mostly because it's not entirely clear how to get such a job and how to do that job without handing over the reigns of your project to the company.

> Yeah but if the statement is a guy like this could find something like this, then the answer is no.

What? Why?

> I think mostly because it's not entirely clear how to get such a job

Same as any other job, by looking. Even I do something like that and I am not even close to corejs maintainer level

> reins

If you do this while working as independent contributor (popular in Russia) then it's not even a question, the company will not have any reins on whatever you do outside the contract. If you are employed then company may have the reins, but you will publish OSS while getting money and recognition for it, which is 80% of the formula.

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Post by esailija »

hexator wrote: post #89
BadRed wrote: post #27

I recognize his challenges, but not sure if I can look past his victim blaming and "both sides bad" war rhetoric.

I'm shocked I have to scroll down so far to see someone complain about that. He absolutely is shifting 100% of the blame for him killing someone onto the person he killed.

In any sane country it is the people who lay on highways or jump into train tracks who are criminals not the drivers or train operators.

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Post by yawboakye »

schwartzworld wrote: post #271
yawboakye wrote: post #264

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i'm not sure i understand what you mean. how's rails 'completely owned by private companies' for example? i'm not sure you wish to imply that private companies hiring and paying people to work full-time on open source equates to 'owning' such software. there's open source software started by and owned by private companies (the go programming language, apple's swift, meta's react, among other). regardless, they have b…

The direction that rails goes in is the direction that Basecamp wants it to go in. Basecamp is a privately owned company. Who do you think owns the IP? Look, no judgment for open source maintainers who take a job in order to get paid. But the idea that this is the only viable model for open source is abhorrent.

> The direction that rails goes in is the direction that Basecamp wants it to go in. Basecamp is a privately owned company. Who do you think owns the IP?

it’s demonstrably false. both github and shopify have made significant contributions to the direction of rails. also individuals who were eventually hired by big rails/ruby users. i think such was the case for tenderlove and schneems for example. according to the rails license[0], dhh owns the ip.

you could shift your perspective to see if this makes sense. companies heavily invested in certain open source projects hire (1) people already familiar with and have been contributing to the project, or (2) people totally new to the project but mandated to participate in maintenance and development given its a key infrastructure. this, imo, is how open source should be maintained: companies with skin the game commit to its survival. the current model of paying money to someone not in the employ of anyone (and so maybe doesn’t use the project themselves) is bound to lead to the current pay me or i abandon the project.

[0]: https://github.com/rails/rails/blob/main/MIT-LICENSE

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

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Post by glorken »

esailija wrote: post #300
glorken wrote: post #242

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There is a difference. He hit them on a crosswalk, not in the middle of nowhere. While not totally blaming zloirock, I don't understand why a driver shouldn't be punished for killing a pedestrian on a crosswalk.

There are no crosswalks on highways. It's basically like someone sitting on a traintrack and blaming the train operator for killing them.

There are court documents detailing the case available online, and zloirock himself admits it in GitHub comments after being pointed at it (although his tone is somewhat passive-aggressive):

> and where did I write that it was not in the zone of action of the pedestrian crossing sign?

> https://github.com/zloirock/core-js/issues/1179#issuecomment...

There is also no reliable information whether the accident happened inside a city or on a highway, but multiple witnesses are mentioned, and I doubt that there are many people on highways at 3 AM.

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Post by NoInkling »

sgammon wrote: post #174
5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #140

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The court documents on that case are publicly available if you're willing to look for them (and can read Russian). I haven't read everything, but I didn't see anything contradicting his side of the story.

he said he was "driving home at 3am," you know, as one does, and two girls were "crawling on the highway." i am honestly not sure i've ever heard a less believable story

Drunk people lying down in the street is definitely something I've seen several times in my life.

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Post by NoInkling »

5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #140
__m wrote: post #135

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At least that's how he frames it

The court documents on that case are publicly available if you're willing to look for them (and can read Russian). I haven't read everything, but I didn't see anything contradicting his side of the story.

I think the part he left out is that (if I recall correctly) he was allegedly speeding to some degree.

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Post by johnywalks »

btown wrote: post #67

From this article, Denis Pushkarev seems to be a remarkably principled developer in a horrible situation, and I admire his commitment to this project. Setting that aside, though, is anyone else alarmed that such a widely used project has exactly one maintainer who is able to push arbitrary changes without review? Especially one already in legal trouble and significant debt, unable to travel, for a project embedded in…

Isn't that the issue though? Nobody cares until it's too late.

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Post by mckravchyk »

bovermyer wrote: post #236
slowmotiony wrote: post #230

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I'm just shocked at the reaction from the HN crowd in this post. The guy lives in the west but returns to Russia, then blames Ukraine for being invaded, actually kills a teen girl and writes shit about her in the very same post added to HN, and blames everyone around him for his situation. Yet HN loves him because he wrote a cool Javascript library. Blows my mind.

I didn't see any part of the post where he blamed Ukraine for being invaded. There was a passage where he stated he can't publicly support either side because he has friends (family?) on both sides, but that's all I read. The manslaughter came as a shock, yes, and I think there's more to that story than he's telling us. He probably isn't a great human being. None of that, however, is relevant to the fact that maintai…

What's your reasoning for saying he's probably not a great human being? Assuming what he says is true. If he had no way of seeing that coming, how is that different from blaming / judging a train driver in any way for someone's suicide or going as far to as to say they killed them.
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