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Mandatory DEI statements are becoming the norm in academic hiring

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Re: Mandatory DEI statements are becoming the norm in academic hiring

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Post by thwayunion »

wonderwonder wrote: post #300
thwayunion wrote: post #253

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FWIW, I am a white, heterosexual male. I wrote a DEI statement that did not mention ethnicity, sexuality, or gender. I consistently got praise for my DEI statement in faculty interviews. I am fairly confident I am one of the only straight white males in this comment section who has applied to faculty positions and received job offers, across a variety of institution types. I am almost certain I am the only one in thi…

That's cool. I'm not talking about college at all but have no reason to doubt your position. I'm talking about not wanting homosexuality or transexuality presented as an option by teachers to my elementary or middle school kids. I don't want school age girls to have to compete with boys in sports. I don't want my kids to get penalized while looking for a job because they are white or male, I want them to succeed or f…

> I'm not talking about college at all

Then I'm honestly confused why you're posting on this article. Do you care at all about the topic or do you just pattern match on "DEI" and start spitting out next-tokens?

It's especially maddening that "lol I'm not talking about college" is the hot take from the top-voted comment on this story. Speaks volumes to the quality of HN discourse on this topic: just a bunch of scared nonsense.

> telling kids about the gays

So what? I was told the gays are evil as a kid and I turned out okay.

The gays are okay. If telling the kids that the gays are okay is some sort of existential threat to you then I'm not sure what to say.

> DEI that I have experienced in the work place is very aggressively anti white

Not gonna lie, I see this a lot and "my HR training was dumb as shit" is a weird basis for political ideology. My anti-phishing training was patronizing as fuck and poorly executed, but I'm not about to use that as a basis for an argument to defund the DoD or whatever.

Also, sounds like you work in weird places. At the universities I worked at the older profs made occasional comments about the tits and asses of undergraduate students, talked about homosexual faculty in way that made even us white straight males uncomfortable, etc. Whatever woke nonsense you think is happening at universities, they're absolutely unregulated compared to most corporate environments and have nothing resembling the sanitary corporate training -- on DEI or a million other things -- that I have to do every year.

Re: Mandatory DEI statements are becoming the norm in academic hiring

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Post by wonderwonder »

thwayunion wrote: post #301
wonderwonder wrote: post #300

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That's cool. I'm not talking about college at all but have no reason to doubt your position. I'm talking about not wanting homosexuality or transexuality presented as an option by teachers to my elementary or middle school kids. I don't want school age girls to have to compete with boys in sports. I don't want my kids to get penalized while looking for a job because they are white or male, I want them to succeed or f…

> I'm not talking about college at all Then I'm honestly confused why you're posting on this article. Do you care at all about the topic or do you just pattern match on "DEI" and start spitting out next-tokens? It's especially maddening that "lol I'm not talking about college" is the hot take from the top-voted comment on this story. Speaks volumes to the quality of HN discourse on this topic: just a bunch of scared…

"Then I'm honestly confused why you're posting on this article"

Because I want to. I mentioned nothing about college in the original comment that you replied to. I pattern matched :) Judging by the number of responses to my post, other people wanted to discuss it from my perspective as well. Thats one of the nice things about HN, the open, unrestricted flow of conversation

I know that gays are ok. I have absolutely nothing against gay people and am very pro gay marriage. I just dont think its an appropriate topic for elementary school. I very much do have an issue with transexuality being pushed as an option in schools though and I think that its dangerous and results in kids being confused and mistakenly thinking they may be trans. I feel for trans people and wish them nothing but happiness. I just dont want anyone telling my kids its an option as its a much harder life.

"Not gonna lie, I see this a lot and "my HR training was dumb as shit" is a weird basis for political ideology"

I think it goes a little deeper than that and I think you are intentionally downplaying it. Work is one of the cornerstones of most peoples lives. Many people spend more time there than with their kids. If they work in a place where they are told they are the problem thats going to lead to some issues.

Re: Mandatory DEI statements are becoming the norm in academic hiring

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Post by thwayunion »

wonderwonder wrote: post #302
thwayunion wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not talking about college at all Then I'm honestly confused why you're posting on this article. Do you care at all about the topic or do you just pattern match on "DEI" and start spitting out next-tokens? It's especially maddening that "lol I'm not talking about college" is the hot take from the top-voted comment on this story. Speaks volumes to the quality of HN discourse on this topic: just a bunch of scared…

"Then I'm honestly confused why you're posting on this article" Because I want to. I mentioned nothing about college in the original comment that you replied to. I pattern matched :) Judging by the number of responses to my post, other people wanted to discuss it from my perspective as well. Thats one of the nice things about HN, the open, unrestricted flow of conversation I know that gays are ok. I have absolutely n…

> I just dont think its an appropriate topic for elementary school.

I've never understood what this means. Is talking about another student's two Daddies not okay? Teacher talking about their same-sex spouse? Do people imagine they're passing out porn to second graders? Don't get it. Sounds like stupid bullshit. Literally worse than HR DEI training slide decks tbh.

> I very much do have an issue with transexuality being pushed as an option in schools

Your sons aren't going to be unemployed because of DEI essays. Schools "pushing transexuality" is also some stupid bullshit meant to make people feel scared and capture eyeballs.

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Post by TheEldenCasual »

Manuel_D wrote: post #96
SpeedilyDamage wrote: post #66

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> It's the civil rights movement in reverse. Is it? Here's what MLK has written: > “Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic.” > “A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of…

One crucial detail to note with the research showing diversity improves company performance: Asians were categorized as diverse in these studies. But in all the DEI initiatives I've seen, Asians were either non-diverse and in some they were "negative diversity" and treated even worse than whites. So there's a mismatched between the definitions of diversity used in research and used in DEI discrimination.

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Re: Mandatory DEI statements are becoming the norm in academic hiring

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Post by [deleted] »

Manuel_D wrote: post #96
SpeedilyDamage wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's the civil rights movement in reverse. Is it? Here's what MLK has written: > “Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic.” > “A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of…

One crucial detail to note with the research showing diversity improves company performance: Asians were categorized as diverse in these studies. But in all the DEI initiatives I've seen, Asians were either non-diverse and in some they were "negative diversity" and treated even worse than whites. So there's a mismatched between the definitions of diversity used in research and used in DEI discrimination.

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Post by willcipriano »

cmh89 wrote: post #269
throwawayacc6 wrote: post #239

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>after having me attest to being over 18. That is required by federal law. Same reason you have to attest to being over 18 on porn sites.

You're welcome to post said law but there a thousands of websites on the world wide web that host explicit images that don't require you to attest to being 18. This website is hosting censored cartoon images that weren't explicit in the first place.

School boards have kicked parents out for reading these books as they are too explicit for that forum: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/florida-school-board-remove...

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Post by freejazz »

xyzzyz wrote: post #286
freejazz wrote: post #248

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This is a completely disingenuous post.

How so? Can you explain?

It's so obtuse as to not be genuinely believable. I have no reason to believe you struggled to understand the poster's meaning to the point that you genuinely offered that as a means of creating greater understanding.

Re: Mandatory DEI statements are becoming the norm in academic hiring

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Post by eldaisfish »

anonymouskimmer wrote: post #200
eldaisfish wrote: post #149

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you are walking a dangerous line with that question. Yes, genetic advantages are a thing which is why the NBA is dominated by black people but social factors are also a thing which is why the NHL is dominated by Canadians. Diversity programs aim to address the second factor i.e. giving a temporary boost to people who didn't have access to social and economic privilege.

> but social factors are also a thing Why are black people disproportionately in pro basketball? "It must be genetics!". It couldn't possibly be the fact that basketball courts are easier to build in the inner city than baseball fields. It couldn't be the fact that many poor black kids see the salaries that sports stars make, see the accessibility of a basketball court, and think "that's my ticket out.". (A neat docu…

In the NBA, it IS genetics. You cannot increase your height through your own efforts, the limit IS genetic. Basketball is one of the few sports where genetic advantages are a major factor. The reason many black americans are so tall is some part a cruel history but an equal part genetics - you would be foolish to deny this.

The location of basketball courts is incidental and i'm not certain what your point is.

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Post by freejazz »

wonderwonder wrote: post #172
tyre wrote: post #170

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Genuinely curious, do Desantis voters think this ends without suppression of speech? Desantis is banning books. Yes, these culture wars are bad. Stupid. But it feels like there is drift into both-sidesism. That side of the right is most certainly not for free speech any more than Elon Musk is when taking over Twitter.

If I am punished for using racist words to describe a minority is that suppression of my freedom of speech? It is illegal to discriminate against minorities, it should be illegal to do the same against whites and Asians. It's that simple, any effort to paint it as anything else is just misdirection and hyperbole.

If you are punished by the gov't, yes. If it's not the gov't, then no. Basic 1st amd stuff right there.

Re: Mandatory DEI statements are becoming the norm in academic hiring

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Post by freejazz »

wonderwonder wrote: post #291
taylodl wrote: post #289

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People were saying these exact same things back in the 1980's. It's a right-wing bogeyman and they use it to scare people because it works. Just like it did with you. The thing is racism, at least the racism that actually matters to people's quality of life, is systemic. You're black? Higher mortgage rate for you, even if all other factors are the same. You're Asian? Then you're probably the better student, even if a…

"It's a right-wing bogeyman and they use it to scare people because it works. Just like it did with you." Your right, I'm an idiot unable to think for myself. Me and everyone else that believes this. People who believe as you do are the only intelligent ones able to think for themselves. Everything I have experienced related to DEI is not real and part of the massive collective hallucination experienced by anyone tha…

>"Your right, I'm an idiot unable to think for myself.

It is bold of you to admit this, but I commend you, even despite your apparent and admitted idiocy.

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