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U.S. military shoots down suspected Chinese surveillance balloon

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I am so tired of China being used to stoke American jingoism, of politicians making a contest of who is really 'tough on China' and, most horrifyingly, of seeing other USians online practically salivate as they fantasize about a war with China. It's some cold war boogieman horseshit. And it's depressing to watch here on Hacker News, too, any comments that question the beating of those war drums go dead. Yesterday I h…

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...across several thousand miles of ocean, and land, and curiously ended up right over another nation's capital even though the intervening stormfronts should have pushed it up into Canada or Mexico during the balloon's trip...

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post #197

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Are you saying that the US does believe in a rules-based international system? Let's count the number of countries the USA has invaded vs China...and the government topples with the help of the USA vs China

Yes. Most every one of those invasions was preceded by international diplomacy and coalition building. China/Russia dont care for the UN or building consensus with allies. They are willing to just go on the word of a supreme leader. We might not like the outcomes, but the US does accept that the international stage is governed by rules. That is why a country like canada feels no threat from the US wheras every countr…

>China/Russia dont care for the UN or building consensus with allies.

The US has made the same unilateral invasions that Russia has, and without approval of the UN. Almost everything you've said here is false.

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Im pretty impressed that it made it all the way across the continent in a couple days, i had no idea high altitude balloons could move that fast.

Technically the ballon isn't moving itself in anyway at all, it instead is depending on the wind. As the atmospheric pressure lowers the maximum speed of the wind can increase greatly. For example the speed of the jet stream commonly exceeds 275 miles per hour. It looks like the strongest jet winds were closer to canada, had the jet been in the US it could have made it across the country in a day.

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post #102

I am so tired of China being used to stoke American jingoism, of politicians making a contest of who is really 'tough on China' and, most horrifyingly, of seeing other USians online practically salivate as they fantasize about a war with China. It's some cold war boogieman horseshit. And it's depressing to watch here on Hacker News, too, any comments that question the beating of those war drums go dead. Yesterday I h…

As an American who has worked in tech for the last two decades, including interacting with Chinese subcontractors numerous times I say you are 100% wrong.

#1. THEY'RE STEALING FROM US. Constantly.

#2. Look at how they treat their own people.

#3. Look at how they treat their neighbors.

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post #102

I am so tired of China being used to stoke American jingoism, of politicians making a contest of who is really 'tough on China' and, most horrifyingly, of seeing other USians online practically salivate as they fantasize about a war with China. It's some cold war boogieman horseshit. And it's depressing to watch here on Hacker News, too, any comments that question the beating of those war drums go dead. Yesterday I h…

While you're correct that 9/11 caused issues I think you're conflating things incorrectly here.

I don't see anti-China policies being used to justify crack downs on freedoms like was done after 9/11. Perhaps that's coming, but we should be concerned about that when it happens. We absolutely however need to be careful about what China is trying to do by basically bifricating the world into authoritarian and democratic world orders. It's absolutely their stated goal to create a bi-polar world and thus re-create cold war conditions.

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Uh, what democratic traditions of China?

Such as, term limits for those in power: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/11/592694991...

Not sure how democratic that is. It’s not like there were elections.

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> their continued atrocities Before it comes to China's alleged atrocities that every single Muslim country's parliamentarians and diplomants say they dont exist: Have you yet persecuted and jailed those who murdered 1 million in Iraq?

America voted for a president who said he would, but then reneged on that promise. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/31/obama-... Fuck you Obama!

…either that, or he got into office, saw some actual intelligence and realized his utopian views were not grounded in reality. Then he did the responsible thing and didn’t keep an unethical promise.

I didn’t really care for Obama but he did the right thing on that item, in my opinion.

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The world should also be very concerned about the current leader in China, who is currently re-writing the democratic traditions of China to remain in power indefinitely, which echoes the moves certain other leaders have made. This is, time and time again, a precursor to using military adventurism to justify and consolidate their grip on power. If anything, people aren't worried enough. Being overly sensitive about a…

Uh, what democratic traditions of China?

You can have bits and pieces of democracy without actually fully having it, I think is the intent of the above post.
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