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Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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> STEM is 100% historically discriminatory to women So that women prefer to pick other fields is STEM's fault?

That women face negative pressure when they go into STEM is a real and documented problem.

Negative pressure from who?

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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The Billy Graham/Mike Pence rule is your best bet: don't let yourself be in any situation where a false accusation could arise. Of course you'll be accused of being a sexist/misogynist/whatever instead but that's easier to ignore or overcome than false accusations of sexual harassment.

Hard disagree. If I decide I can have a closed-door 1:1 or a lunch 1:1 with some of my direct reports but not with any that are female, I’m inherently discriminating against them. I’d way rather treat all employees fairly and fade a <1% chance of a false accusation than to treat employees unequally and cut that chance in half.

I had a Professor in college who refused to meet with me behind a a close door, and we were both male. He kindly explained that he picked this up from a former professor of his. He wanted zero possibility of a student accusing him of sexual misconduct. At the time I thought it was a bit strange, but I agreed and left the door open. 20 years later, it doesn't sound so strange anymore.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Probably worth noting this story was first published by the New York Post. Take that for what you will. That said, this is a pretty wild turn of events. From the initial and continued sexual harassment/assault to the racism, and subsequent retaliation. More curious is the very direct "your team is too male" and the encouragement to fire someone. I've heard this hinted at before, but never said out loud for obvious re…

>More curious is the very direct "your team is too male" and the encouragement to fire someone. My friend who still lives in the Valley says this kind of sentiment is incredibly common there nowadays, e.g. advertising an open position and having discussions internally that a man won't be hired for the role. It's pretty surprising to me, because statistics show that most major careers have a gender imbalance in one di…

>Why is this? What is the ethical justification for why addressing the gender imbalance in STEM/software engineering should be such an urgent moral priority?

My conspiracy theory is that software engineering is the last real, single, meritocratic, growing career path that costs a lot of money for employers and they'd rather tank the market by making sure the other 50% of sex is able to participate to wreck wages.

Nobody cares that nurses and teachers are majority female dominated fields ripe with discrimination and harassment because they don't make enough money. They're overstressed, understaffed, and underpaid and society needs more of both yet the bar is so low and so biased against men that nobody is even trying to fix it.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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The ugly truth is — false sexual harassment complaint is one those things in life you keep hoping and praying it never happens to you. But if it does you’re screwed one way or the other. The stigma that it “automatically” brings just doesn’t go away. It just doesn’t. You forever become “that” person. And I really don’t know how it can be fixed. That’s just how it is.

The Billy Graham/Mike Pence rule is your best bet: don't let yourself be in any situation where a false accusation could arise. Of course you'll be accused of being a sexist/misogynist/whatever instead but that's easier to ignore or overcome than false accusations of sexual harassment.

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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Yes, in civil court. The DA office won't take on false accusations charges. Edit: I could sue her, but nothing will come of it, she's completely broke, alone and live rent free taking care of old lady with dementia. And as of me, idk, never held grudge or wanted any vengeance upon anyone, it's easier to just cut ties, and never be associated with her

You might get somewhere suing the bank if they caused you any harm.

What good would that do? OP would likely get a few thousand dollars, and the bank would make that in profits in less time than it just took you to read the word "profits".

You'd end up costing yourself money, just in the sheer time it would take to do it.

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Probably like 75% male. But at most 25% white male.

Nope. It’s a lot whiter than u think https://www.eeoc.gov/special-report/diversity-high-tech

Closest thing I can find that seems relevant in there:

"Compared to overall private industry, the high tech sector employed a larger share of whites (63.5 percent to 68.5 percent), Asian Americans (5.8 percent to 14 percent) and men (52 percent to 64 percent"

First point would be that doesn't really support your contention that 90% of tech employees are white men.

That said, they can't be measuring what we think of as tech; it's certainly more than the claimed 64% male. I'm pretty sure that restricted to actual tech, it would be both more male and less white.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Sexual harassment is difficult to prove so can be abused. Once an accusation has been made the smear will often stick. What really needs to happen is that companies need a policy/procedure that handles this. My wife designs procedures and training for organizations for sexual harassment, this is surprisingly effective and one should make sure you have something in place and understand how to use it.

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Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion.

Aka: Hire anyone except white, heterosexual males.

It's extremely common for them to discriminate against asian males as well. It was outside of a hiring context but I've had people in this sphere call me "basically white" multiple times.

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I don't know where you did STEM related education, but in my environment a women in a group project would get extra points relative to the rest. So I saw the exact opposite of what you describe. And at work, women seems to rise to management levels easier than men. But hey, this is EU, not US. Edit: you're pointing me to something that happened in 1890? WTF???

> 100% historically discriminatory to women

You replied to a comment about historically - and what was once a pattern still persists to a lesser degree.

The roots of higher education were laid with the exclusion of women baked in.

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