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Post by tpush »

dcgudeman wrote: post #209
no_time wrote: post #179

As an EU citizen all I can say is: Get fucked. I hope the EU grows a spine and actually doubles down instead of bowing to US pressure. >Fine for Meta more than tenfold from € 28 million to € 390 million. Third case on WhatsApp pending. Starting to get into a range for the fine that makes sense. Give it another tenfold increase and I'm content.

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If you enjoy targeted advertisement you can freely consent to companies tracking you. This is fundamentally about consent and how it's given, not targeted advertisement per se.

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Post by Nextgrid »

rybosworld wrote: post #280
LelouBil wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm happy to be an EU citizen for all the great tech regulations that are actually passing here !

On the other hand, this seems like an easy way to avoid addressing Europe's lack of it's own tech industry. If Europe wants more ethical tech, they should make an honest effort to create an environment that supports that. I.e., invest in their own tech industry.

> If Europe wants more ethical tech, they should make an honest effort to create an environment that supports that. I.e., invest in their own tech industry.

Which is difficult if tech has been monopolised by US companies that break the laws, so they're addressing that for a start, as to level the playing field (both with GDPR and other regulations such as the Digital Markets Act).

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Post by LelouBil »

rybosworld wrote: post #280
LelouBil wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm happy to be an EU citizen for all the great tech regulations that are actually passing here !

On the other hand, this seems like an easy way to avoid addressing Europe's lack of it's own tech industry. If Europe wants more ethical tech, they should make an honest effort to create an environment that supports that. I.e., invest in their own tech industry.

I agree with you, investing in ethical tech is an important step.

However if you look at what is happening today, with everyone having a google/instagram/etc account, and the power these companies have over the competition (because of unethical tactics) it is not feasible to actually compete with them.

Legislation is needed to make *everyone* in the tech industry that operates in europe at the same (ethical) level.

This may not be directly applicable to the linked article, but I'm mainly thinking of the DMA and DSA which will go into effect in a couple of months.

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Post by davidguetta »

avz wrote: post #299
LelouBil wrote: post #220

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I'm happy to be an EU citizen for all the great tech regulations that are actually passing here !

This made me think of Elephant in Cairo [1] and Pachydermic Personnel Prediction [2]. Specifically, it reminded me of what the classification says about the job of a politician: > Politicians don't hunt elephants, but they will share the elephants you catch with the people who voted for them. Along these lines, we'd have something like > Europeans don't invent new tech, but they will regulate the tech you invented. A…

America didn't invent everything..

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Post by Nextgrid »

PoignardAzur wrote: post #275
29athrowaway wrote: post #241

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> The EU leadership is corrupt as fuck. That's a hell of a claim to just casually throw out.

Even if there was a bit of truth to this, it's not like the US is any better.

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Post by int_19h »

red_admiral wrote: post #246
whimsicalism wrote: post #6

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I think you're contributing to the discussion, but I strongly disagree with you. In this case, according to the linked article, it seems to me like meta tried to rules-lawyer their way around the GDPR, and got told no, the words "contract" and "consent" mean exactly what they usually do. If you're testing the boundaries of a law for your own benefit, sometimes you get told you've overstepped it, that's life - not an…

"5 EUR/month but we'll give it for free if you agree to personalised ads"

Is this an edge case? My understanding is that it's legal under GDPR.

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Post by Nextgrid »

somedude895 wrote: post #257
e_i_pi_2 wrote: post #147

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> If the standard becomes "make illegal business models that the media gets enough people upset about" I think you're giving "the media" too much credit here, it's also very possible that the business models are actually unpopular and people are upset after learning about them. I think in general that's the basis for all the laws we have - a bunch of people thought there should be a law against something and made it.…

I'll preface this by saying that I don't like Meta and am very privacy-conscious. > it's also very possible that the business models are actually unpopular and people are upset after learning about them. I am 100% convinced - from people around me - that those who use FB and IG don't give a damn about privacy and would rather it be free of charge. This is clearly a small group of "elite people in the know" (which in…

> I am 100% convinced - from people around me - that those who use FB and IG don't give a damn about privacy and would rather it be free of charge.

When Apple forced apps to implement App Tracking Transparency which asks a neutral, OS-provided question to the user, only 4% opted in.

Furthermore, people generally don't care about privacy because they don't understand the ramifications of that decision (which is exactly why the GDPR was enacted instead of letting consumers and "the market" decide), but they do freak out when the tracking ends up backfiring on them.

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Post by owlglass »

whimsicalism wrote: post #196
owlglass wrote: post #189

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When the Mises Institute publishes articles arguing that "drunk drivers cause accidents but so do sober drivers, and many drunk drivers cause no accidents at all," and therefore drunk driving should not be outlawed, it's hard to take this type of source seriously [1]. Note that the article above was published by the institute's founder. [1] https://mises.org/library/legalize-drunk-driving

I hear what you are saying, although I would prefer an engagement on the merits of the specific points. That said, it is of course possible I overstated my case - the provenance of sources I am finding is not as strong as I would have expected.

The thrust of the article [1] is that the income defined as "Poverty Level" (60% of disposable income), is higher in the US than in many European countries. This definition is based on disposable income, which does not account for spending on childcare, healthcare, housing, etc., many of which are heavily subsidized, or simply less expensive in these European countries that are being compared to the United States.

[1] https://mises.org/wire/poor-us-are-richer-middle-class-much-...

Note: I appreciate your calm responses and engagement of the arguments. I concede that I should have included some refutation or concession based on the merits of the article themselves in my original reply.

Edit: to add another source refuting the Mises thesis, stating that income inequality is highest in the US among G-7 countries (https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/01/09/trends-...)

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Post by astrange »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #285
astrange wrote: post #251

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> The cookie banners are a result of bad/non-existent enforcement. Unintended results are part of writing the laws. So is writing a law that phone ports must be USBC and forgetting about wireless charging standards. When the DMA starts enforcement and makes it impossible to block messaging spam because all messengers have to trust each other, that’ll be part of it too. > If this was true, this ruling would be a nothi…

> Unintended results are part of writing the laws. It's hard to forsee companies wanting to annoy users on purpose. > So is writing a law that phone ports must be USBC and forgetting about wireless charging standards. What's the problem here? Wireless charging is already using a single standard.

Out here Starbucks still has a bunch of tables with some kind of wireless charging ring that isn’t Qi.

But more importantly, “phones must have a USBC port if they have a port” doesn’t implement “phones must charge from a USBC charger” and so users could go out and buy portless phones and discover they still have to carry around a charger, the problem you were supposedly solving.

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Post by pornel »

rybosworld wrote: post #280
LelouBil wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm happy to be an EU citizen for all the great tech regulations that are actually passing here !

On the other hand, this seems like an easy way to avoid addressing Europe's lack of it's own tech industry. If Europe wants more ethical tech, they should make an honest effort to create an environment that supports that. I.e., invest in their own tech industry.

Not being bound by ethics gives unethical companies an advantage, so curbing unethical behavior is the necessary step to let ethical companies emerge.
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