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Post by NickC25 »

tptacek wrote: post #242
lexapro wrote: post #237

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The "George Bush doesn’t care about black people" incident was in 2005. Not saying that was a manic episode, but it certainly could have been.

It seemed pretty fair at the time, like I remember being confused by why it caused such a media furor. You could disagree, of course, but you could also see given the circumstances why someone would say it.

I'd definitely say it was fair at the time as that was around Hurricane Katrina and the vast majority of the most affected people at the time were low-income black people. IIRC some parts of the 9th Ward are still yet to recover from Katrina.....and that was 17 years ago.

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Post by themitigating »

t0suj4 wrote: post #208
shafyy wrote: post #111

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I disagree. There are limits to what ideas constitute free speech in many modern countries. As an extreme example, an idea that puts forward genocide as acceptable form of action should never be allowed under "free speech", even if it's said with nice words. This and other examples are ruled under law in many developed countries.

Those developed countries have people taking their banned speech underground. It is usually also very illegal to take their strongest arguments and argue against them. All you have left is hope that they will never gain stronger support.

That's fine, it helps. Countries the UK also have defamation laws that are much stronger than the US.

I read that what really brought down the KKK was a massive amount of lawsuits

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Post by mikercampbell »

bambax wrote: post #271
itake wrote: post #252

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> the most popular rapper/hip hop artist of all time Slim Shady stands up [0]. [0] - https://iamyourtargetdemographic.com/2011/08/30/kanye-west-v...

This article is from 2011, but today on Spotify Eminem still has more monthly listeners than Kanye West (53M vs 51M). Eminem also has several songs that have over a billion streams (one with >1.5b), while Kanye has just one and it's at exactly 1b. So yes, Eminem is still well ahead.

As a huge Eminem fan, 2011 was a good time to stop counting.

I love his stuff, Revival, Kamazake, Music to be Murdered by - I probably know 10 songs almost by heart.

But there's no denying that it's been a very different decade for Mathers and not everyone likes it.

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Post by coinbasetwwa »

mind-blight wrote: post #244
themitigating wrote: post #187

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What if it's just a narcissist? What if it's a combination of both? He's made blantent antisemitic remarks and yet his popularity among the right grows

He's diagnosed bipolar, so mental illness is definitely in the mix.

Good thing we have Kanye’s physician in the comments to make that determination.

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Post by dragontamer »

themitigating wrote: post #279
mort96 wrote: post #222

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It's not just evident to a lot of people; he has claimed it himself, and it's basically confirmed. Here's the relevant part of his Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West#Mental_health There's a lot of stuff there, among other things: > West said that he often has suicidal ideation. In a 2019 interview with David Letterman, West stated that he has bipolar disorder.

Brittney Spears, who hasn't made any public racists remarks (at least that I know) lost control

And in that case, it seemed like her holding company was abusing her.

So invoking power-of-attorney over someone isn't always the solution to their mental health. Its an extreme move, and I'm really not sure if its designed to be used in the typical mental-health case.

Its not like the mentally ill are suddenly incapable of performing useful work, or unable to watch over themselves. They just have... delusions, bad memory, swings of mood, terrible sleeping habits, etc. etc. They need help, not someone walking in and stealing their money / taking their house / losing all sense of agency all together.

Mental health is... difficult, but livable. Extreme actions like invoking power-of-attorney probably makes things worse in more situations IMO.

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Post by spywaregorilla »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #213
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

It's sad because to become successful Kanye had to ignore hundreds/thousands of important people telling him he wasnt good enough and he would never make it as a rapper. Then he became, arguably, the most popular rapper/hip hop artist of all time. Now image you've done what seems impossible despite countless people telling you it wont work out. You are in the top 1% of fame. Now someone tells you your other ideas are…

As someone who doesn't listen to much rap / hip hop, and can only name his cover (adaptation?) of Stronger, I do know who Kanye is. I don't know anything about his music. Mostly I just know of him because he's a very public asshole. Much like his wife.

I find it basically impossible to empathize with him. I just wouldn't ever be in that situation. "Rising against adversity" is not the story I'd be be using here so much as just a typical strongman bravado leading to an absolute disconnect from reality.

I would wager greatly that it's not that he's grown cynical to people saying he can't do something, but that he's become delusional from people telling him a genius. People who convince themselves that they're smart do this thing where they have an idea, and conclude that because they've come up with it and they're smart that it must be a well reasoned idea.

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Post by themitigating »

francisofascii wrote: post #137
shafyy wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. There are limits to what ideas constitute free speech in many modern countries. As an extreme example, an idea that puts forward genocide as acceptable form of action should never be allowed under "free speech", even if it's said with nice words. This and other examples are ruled under law in many developed countries.

> an idea that puts forward genocide as acceptable form of action should never be allowed under "free speech" See I have a problem with the word "never". How about "rarely" or at least "once". A terrible idea should be given an audience once. Let it it be quickly refuted, then go back to better conversations. If someone brings it up again, point them back to the earlier discussion. That way it is established why it i…

"That way it is established why it is a bad idea." Is that how most arguments on the internet end?

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Post by Apocryphon »

mikercampbell wrote: post #303
bambax wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This article is from 2011, but today on Spotify Eminem still has more monthly listeners than Kanye West (53M vs 51M). Eminem also has several songs that have over a billion streams (one with >1.5b), while Kanye has just one and it's at exactly 1b. So yes, Eminem is still well ahead.

As a huge Eminem fan, 2011 was a good time to stop counting. I love his stuff, Revival, Kamazake, Music to be Murdered by - I probably know 10 songs almost by heart. But there's no denying that it's been a very different decade for Mathers and not everyone likes it.

Give him a couple of years more to include "Rap God."

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Post by z7 »

tptacek wrote: post #249
coinbasetwwa wrote: post #241

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He believes his kids friends are "professional actors" who were placed there to "sexualize" them, that The Gap knew about the Uvalde shooting before it happened, and that Pete Davidson slept with his wife through the mechinations of an international Jewish conspiracy. You're doing the same thing Fox did: quoting the least unhinged things and pretending the most unhinged things didn't get said. And, as I'm sure will h…

Thing is, I need to see the primary source before I can make a judgement. I tried to find the source for the first claim and it seems to be a quote from this Vice article:

>Carlson’s program also didn’t air a strange claim from Ye that “fake children” had been placed in his house to manipulate his children. “I mean, like actors, professional actors, placed into my house to sexualize my kids,” he told Carlson. He referred to the “so-called son” of an associate, seemingly to imply the child was fake.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/3ad77y/kanye-west-tucker-car...

I have no idea what exactly he is trying to say and I don't know the context, so it's not clear to me what to make of it.

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Post by P0l83q4p1Hw3Ul »

tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

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