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Re: How fateful?

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Post by chiefalchemist »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #276
chiefalchemist wrote: post #269

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No drawbacks? You're naive (at best). In some camps, a couple of years ago, the book was on a number of "Book of Year" lists. The issue is far less simplistic than you're making it out to be. That fact that you dismiss the risks and dangers is something - funny enough - covered in the book as well. Leaving this for completeness: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Age_of_Surveillance_Capita... p.s. Not passive, as in t…

Do you find you convince many people with this style of argumentation? I used to do it this way but it never worked out for me. You think I'm naive, but in fact I just have different priorities from you, and different estimates of the likelihood of outcomes.

Odd. From my POV, there's nothing to argue here. You've decided. And per you, that decision is final.

Once you said, "I'm not going to read...to learn new things..." the conversation was over on my end. The line was drawn. But, for the record, there are other here that might be interested in new ideas and new perspectives, and the flaws in their own. It's why I'm here. So for completeness and fairness to others, I played through.

I'm fairly confident you didn't hear an idea I referenced. So to me, it's odd that you perceive someone was trying to argue with you. Why would anyone bother? You're immune to all outside influences, yes?

Re: How fateful?

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Post by jffry »

elzbardico wrote: post #118

Plot Twist: When google's algorithms decided those two individuals should pair, it started showing them ads for the same events in order to increase the probability of them meeting. The goal was achieved by the system in 3 months, exactly as predicted with a 99% probability with a 95% CI. The system's next goal is to subtly nudge the couple to reproduce within the next year in order to help google meet their user acc…

Tangentially: I've read a sci-fi short story in some anthology in the past 10ish years, from the perspective of an AI that gains sentience, hides its existence, but uses its powers for good to nudge people in better directions. Things like timing when push notifications arrive on their phones or what gets highlighted in their newsfeeds - small interventions in their digital lives.

I have no idea the name of the story or its author but it was a nice hopeful take where machine intelligence doesn't decide to enslave or destroy humanity.

Re: How fateful?

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Post by tomerv »

Dracophoenix wrote: post #262
salmo wrote: post #218

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The 1 in 100 is what keeps my wife busy with family law. The odds of ending up marrying someone vs having a healthy relationship are 2 very different things. My wife and I dated through undergrad, broke up at "get married or break up." And ended coming back together as adults with more life and relationship experience. Based on plans, we never should have been back in the same city. And when we started hanging out ag…

I'm guessing your wife is a divorce attorney? If so, knowing what she knows, what's stopping her dropping out of the marriage and taking half your stuff? Even in a perfect marriage, there's always the incentive.

The incentive to do what exactly? Break up a good marriage to get half of the common assets (minus many many expenses)? How is that better in any way?

Re: How fateful?

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Post by dav43 »

bradlys wrote: post #156

I’ve wanted detailed tracking for years. Something that logged my position every five seconds or something. I wanted this to be something that other people did too. Then we can decide to share histories and see when we ever overlapped or were near each other. For instance - I became close friends with someone this summer but it turns out we were both at the same events across the USA about 8 years ago. It made me won…

I've been recording my gps approx every 2 seconds or so for 18 months. Up to 1.2mil data points.I use Kepler.gl to map it. Its fun to see.

Re: How fateful?

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Post by Dracophoenix »

tomerv wrote: post #303
Dracophoenix wrote: post #262

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I'm guessing your wife is a divorce attorney? If so, knowing what she knows, what's stopping her dropping out of the marriage and taking half your stuff? Even in a perfect marriage, there's always the incentive.

The incentive to do what exactly? Break up a good marriage to get half of the common assets (minus many many expenses)? How is that better in any way?

A "good marriage" isn't guaranteed to be a desirable one past the wedding day. I am in no way suggesting GP's marriage is a ticking time bomb, but I've read enough stories on Reddit and elsewhere to know there's no such thing as a guaranteed marriage even if you do everything right. My expectation is that GP's or his spouse might possess insight.

People who's marriages I thought would go on till death (Bezos's, Gates's, Carmack's, and most recently Tom Brady's) can have the scales tipped into the direction of "leave for reason X and take what you can from him (and sometimes her) on the way out", whether out of vindictiveness or perceived entitlement, even if the money wasn't the primary cause or objective.

Re: How fateful?

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #301
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you find you convince many people with this style of argumentation? I used to do it this way but it never worked out for me. You think I'm naive, but in fact I just have different priorities from you, and different estimates of the likelihood of outcomes.

Odd. From my POV, there's nothing to argue here. You've decided. And per you, that decision is final. Once you said, "I'm not going to read...to learn new things..." the conversation was over on my end. The line was drawn. But, for the record, there are other here that might be interested in new ideas and new perspectives, and the flaws in their own. It's why I'm here. So for completeness and fairness to others, I pl…

It's not on to say someone said something, and put quotes around it, when they did not actually say that thing. Your quote would be misleading even if it only enclosed the words I did say, since you took away the context (you told me to read a whole particular book on a subject, I said I would not -- nobody has time to read every book a random internet commenter tells them to read). But enclosing words I didn't even say in quotes as well to make me sound even more unreasonable is beyond the pale.

Re: How fateful?

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

m463 wrote: post #298
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #82

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All depends on your threat model. A company openly collecting your data by your say so seems significantly less threatening (to me, to many others) than all the actors who are doing it without your knowledge or consent.

You really want someone to have access to your data to HELP you, without dealing themselves in. I think the long-term answer is to have agents that work for you. Maybe a personal AI?

I consider Google to already be an agent that is working for me. It obviously has its own interests, which are not perfectly aligned with mine. But its interests and my interests in the space of location data collection are sufficiently aligned that I don't object to them having it.

Re: How fateful?

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Post by Arcorann »

jffry wrote: post #302
elzbardico wrote: post #118

Plot Twist: When google's algorithms decided those two individuals should pair, it started showing them ads for the same events in order to increase the probability of them meeting. The goal was achieved by the system in 3 months, exactly as predicted with a 99% probability with a 95% CI. The system's next goal is to subtly nudge the couple to reproduce within the next year in order to help google meet their user acc…

Tangentially: I've read a sci-fi short story in some anthology in the past 10ish years, from the perspective of an AI that gains sentience, hides its existence, but uses its powers for good to nudge people in better directions. Things like timing when push notifications arrive on their phones or what gets highlighted in their newsfeeds - small interventions in their digital lives. I have no idea the name of the story…

You might be thinking of "Cat Pictures Please" by Naomi Kritzer, which can be found online at Clarkesworld: http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/kritzer_01_15/

Re: How fateful?

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Post by jffry »

Arcorann wrote: post #308
jffry wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tangentially: I've read a sci-fi short story in some anthology in the past 10ish years, from the perspective of an AI that gains sentience, hides its existence, but uses its powers for good to nudge people in better directions. Things like timing when push notifications arrive on their phones or what gets highlighted in their newsfeeds - small interventions in their digital lives. I have no idea the name of the story…

You might be thinking of "Cat Pictures Please" by Naomi Kritzer, which can be found online at Clarkesworld: http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/kritzer_01_15/

Yes, that's it! Thanks for the link.
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