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Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Re: Denmark not offering second Covid booster shot to healthy adults under 50

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

lizardactivist wrote: post #296

What will be Big Pharma's next move to bring revenue up again? The monkeypox certainly fizzled out to nothing. I'm asking this because Big Pharma and certain high-profile individuals made it clear in print and televised US media both before and during Covid that we had best start getting used to these kinds of pandemics, because they would become recurring.

> The monkeypox certainly fizzled out to nothing

I wouldn't write it off just yet - I'm sure they'd like to repeat the 2k of free PrEP a month deal.

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Post by EdwardDiego »

lizardactivist wrote: post #296

What will be Big Pharma's next move to bring revenue up again? The monkeypox certainly fizzled out to nothing. I'm asking this because Big Pharma and certain high-profile individuals made it clear in print and televised US media both before and during Covid that we had best start getting used to these kinds of pandemics, because they would become recurring.

I can't take it seriously when you talk about Big Pharma in the singular.

It's not a conspiracy, it's pharmaceutical companies maximising value for shareholders as is the craze in corporations these last 30 odd years, any perceived alignment is likely due to being exposed to the same market forces and same dubious corporate philosophies.

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Post by Kiro »

reducesuffering wrote: post #247
flyingcircus3 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been fascinating for the last couple of years to see how these daily armchair epidemiologist threads have transitioned from largely in support of vaccines to now largely against them. It seems there is some natural filtering at play. People looking for rational informed discussion about covid have realized it's no longer on HN, so they just don't participate anymore. Meanwhile,those who think this is all a giant…

> It's been fascinating for the last couple of years to see how these daily armchair epidemiologist threads have transitioned from largely in support of vaccines to now largely against them. Yes, it has. Although the people haven't changed, the information has, and the most stubborn of people are still defending their initial thesis without any ability to re-examine their priors if they were wrong and actually doing…

The fact that you're getting downvoted just reinforces your point. People here are thinking they are "following the science" while in reality their narrative is so outdated that it's scary. Even r/coronavirus has a more sober view now.

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Post by rimliu »

Llamamoe wrote: post #54
version_five wrote: post #4

Good for them for actually following science instead of the religion it had become. The problem of course is other countries that demand it, and no doubt will continue to demand Nth shots to appeal to their religious base, meaning people will who want to travel have to keep getting the shots anyway

Honestly, the death toll of COVID is immense, and the rates of Long COVID are several times that. Even in people who don't develop it, we're finding blood clots and dramatically increased cardiovascular risk in young, healthy, asymptomatic sufferers. At this rate, several years from now half the population is going to be either disabled or substantially less able than before. Dismissing COVID as you are doing is a na…

So the whole thing about "following the science" was wasted on you :(

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Post by brigandish »

LadyCailin wrote: post #282
canoebuilder wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, it’s usually not about finding out the actual facts / truth for these groups of people actual facts https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/covid-deaths-in-israel-h... look at that chart and then recall the absolutely mad state so many people went into Summer 2021 "time to blame the 'unvaccinated'" "time to inject them against their will" "time to violate their basic human rights" https://alexberenson.s…

Public health rights and not clogging up hospitals with easily preventable diseases readily outweigh your individual right to not get vaccinated, in general. Had the discussions around the specific Covid vaccines been argued with this in mind, a more productive conversation could be had, but instead it jumps immediately to a conversation about “muh rights” which is wholeheartedly disingenuous and/or selfish.

To protect or support one individual's rights is to protect or support everyone's individual rights. That is why, for example, prominent free speech activists will support the right of people they vehemently disagree with to voice their opinions, as it protects one's own right to voice opinions.

How is that selfish?

> If you would like to be selfish, you should do it in a very intelligent way. The stupid way to be selfish is … seeking happiness for ourselves alone. … the intelligent way to be selfish is to work for the welfare of others.” - Dalai Lama

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Post by canoebuilder »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #267
canoebuilder wrote: post #240

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Citation for boosters not working? more people have died since the shots, than before, come on bro! It's staring you in the face https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/all-you-need-to-know-abo... What would you consider a worthy citation source, the same people who have lied or been wrong about everything to date?

Wow, that's a pretty weird misinterpretation of the data. My understanding is that almost 30% of the Israeli population refused to get vaccinated for religious reasons, which (even if you could make robust inferences from a chart like that) would throw the whole theory into doubt.

There is nothing to interpret. Very simply - more people have died since the shots than before.

No need for goofy phd words like “robust inferences”

Much more than 70% of the at risk population were injected, they are the ones that are dying. That shots were sold as stopping the virus entirely, “If you get this shot you won’t get the virus” let alone die from it!

So why have there been more deaths since the shots than before?!

The shots don’t work. Not only do they not work, they are killing people. In mRNA injected countries, excess deaths are running well above historical norms.

Not only are they killing people, they are preventing people from being born. In mRNA injected countries birth rates are way down.

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Post by yosame »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #136
wvenable wrote: post #51

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I got COVID just a few months ago and I've had a worse flu but it's definitely comparable. The worst of it was over in a few days but the general feeling of sickness stayed for the next 3 weeks . I'll happily take anything to avoid that again.

I got Omicron twice. The first time was pretty much what you described: a sore throat and minor fever for four days followed by a month of tiredness. Second time was far milder. I was fine after a week. It felt like a cold. It guess COVID-19 is bound to become similar to the other coronavirus which would make sense. At that point why risks injecting a whole population with a barely tested booster?

Two points: the booster wasn't barely tested, it was excessively tested. I don't think you realise how (comparitively) little testing goes into normal drug testing.

Secondly, people need boosters because immunity wanes to both the vaccine and natural infections. In about a year, you will get just as sick again if you get a natural infection, so why wouldn't you get a booster that will give you mild discomfort for a day at most.

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Post by OJFord »

hamandcheese wrote: post #197
cat_plus_plus wrote: post #153

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Just curious - if you say so many other people are forming their opinion based on emotion rather than facts / truth and don't realize that - why do you think you are immune to the same phenomena? I don't mean it as an insult, I probably also have a few beliefs like that, with no way to realize which ones. Certainly feels good to believe I am protected from a deadly disease and feels bad to wonder about side effects.…

Parent did not say they believe they are immune.

'these groups of people' does imply there are (other groups of) people immune to it, whichever group they believe themselves to be in.

(That's an everyday speech 'imply', not a mathematical 'imply'; where of course the existence of sets containing x says nothing about the existence of sets not containing x.)

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Post by maxehmookau »

peter422 wrote: post #128
scoofy wrote: post #63

I listen to TWiV, and the prominent virologists there are suggesting that we don't actually know what to do. In some of the latest episodes, they discuss frankly the fact that yearly boosters may or may not actually have any meaningful impact for normal healthy folks. They get into the details of why we know annual influenza boosters are effective, and that we really don't know yet whether COVID boosters will have th…

I really wish all the anti-vaxxer types would just listen to TWiV. The hosts and guests both openly and candidly talk about some of the disagreements they have with the prevailing public health guidelines while at the same time give so much detail and depth into virology and immunology so as to show how full of shit the big anti-vax misinformation peddlers are. So many anti-vaxxers say you can't have any disagreement…

I wish they'd listen to anybody with any actual knowledge rather than doing "research" on Google.

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Post by 988747 »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #248
cm2187 wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you can't negate the fact that we have also been told a lot of bullshit. I remember the same speech in Jan 2022 where the health minister of France explained that covid was dangerous for children and therefore they will mandate vaccinating children, immediately followed by the minister of education explaining that covid isn't dangerous for children, that the number of children hospitalised for covid is less than…

And what's bullshit about that? Did you expect French politicians to be all-knowing robots who can never be wrong? This sounds like a run-of-the-mill political debate that hopefully in the end was decided on the basis of an expert panel. (And no, of course, medical experts are also not infallible. I don't think we have investigated a disease and responded to it as fast as to this one ever before in the history of man…

>> Did you expect French politicians to be all-knowing robots who can never be wrong?

I would expect government members making decisions to consult expert virologists/epidemiologists first. The fact that they can make two contradictory statements means that either they did not consult any experts, or they consulted different experts, which means there is no consensus among experts on the topic.

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