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Patreon Lays off 17% of Staff

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Post by koyote »

remram wrote: post #222

Patreon could have eaten OnlyFans' cake so easily, instead they seem to be struggling like everyone thought they would when they banned NSFW content in 2017. I don't understand why they thought that move would benefit them. I don't understand how Jack Conte is still CEO after such a stupid change or how he can say with a straight face that he's "taking responsibility".

I'm no entrepreneur but wouldn't a good way to solve this be to have two separate brands under the same platform?

Patreon and Patreon Red or something, where one is adult content only and the other is not.

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Post by dougmwne »

cbozeman wrote: post #157
davezatch wrote: post #92

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What would non-“meaningless virtue signaling” look like to you? This seems quite decent as far as these things go.

That's because you didn't come up in a time when people who fucked up like this would step down from their position for their clear and obviously failed leadership. You're not used to seeing what "full responsibility" actually is. Full responsibility is a samurai killing himself painfully while his best friend cuts off his head to end his suffering. That's full responsibility. This is, "I fucked up guys, here's 3-6 m…

Yes, that is a good image. I don't think litteral seppuku is called for (though it is a helpful reminder of what shame has looked like in the past), just that people are getting a bit tired of executives saying "I take full responsibility for this failure," while getting handed a giant bonus, a pat on the back from the board and shareholders and another biz mag feature.

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Post by gabereiser »

Maursault wrote: post #297
gabereiser wrote: post #216

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Very much so. I've had to explain that some of them were just contracts, some of them cease to exist anymore, and some went through layoffs. The reality is it's more like 13 companies but yeah.

Don't sweat it. Most human resource departments take their methods from Kafka's The Trial. The more you look the better you get at it, the easier the brutal process of some employers' hiring processes become. Fire and forget. The more applications you complete, the better your chances of getting hired, and once hired, the longer you work, the further disappointment retreats in your rearview.

Yup! Exactly. It’s a numbers game. I’ll never work at a FAANG probably because of it but that’s ok. I’ve carved out a pretty cool career AND I do side projects and games so it’s fine.

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Post by lmm »

noirbot wrote: post #109
bilsbie wrote: post #101

It’s weird these companies grow this big. How many software engineers do you need to monthly bill a list of people and transfer it to a different list? That’s like a single person saas.

If I had a nickle for every time someone on HN claims that a sizable company could be replaced by 1-5 devs, I'd have enough money to start a competitor to most of them that did it better with more devs/staff, as evidenced by the general lack of 1 person saas companies out there that solve more than a very niche problem.

AIUI OnlyFans actually did successfully compete pretty directly with Patreon for a while as a 3 dev company. (I assume they may have grown a little since then)

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Post by egypturnash »

throwaway675309 wrote: post #231
battery_glasses wrote: post #225

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I think its reasonable that a lot of creators don't want to distribute their work along side porn. Does Only Fans have any non-porn content? I really don't know because in my head Only Fans is a place for porn.

Patreon has a shit ton of NSFW stuff so I'm not sure if this decision was overturned or if it's just limited to actual live actor pornography.

https://www.patreon.com/policy/guidelines is the official rules.

A summary:

* mark horny stuff as 18+

* all horny posts must be patron-only

* drawings are okay but no photos/video of actual people going at it

* no bestiality, rape, kids, incest, necrophilia, or dubcon/noncon

As a creator of horny art I do not look forwards to the day when Visa/Mastercard/Apple/Google/etc leans on Patreon and says "hey we banned all horny content, you can either ban it too or you can quit working with us".

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Post by lmm »

voxl wrote: post #185
kradeelav wrote: post #106

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Subscribestar, which I'm much more of a fan of since they have more common sense rules around NSFW art.

Common sense rules == completely banning all NSFW work? https://www.subscribestar.com/prohibited_content I'm all for having some SFW platforms, but let's not pretend that there isn't a dramatic, dramatic demand for NSFW content, and that banning it is nothing short of prudish.

I'm no fan of banning such things, but an outright ban is much clearer and more comprehensible than Patreon's very murky and subjective (to the point where it's almost impossible that they're not selectively applied, if only by accident) rules.

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Post by egypturnash »

mike_d wrote: post #16
gobirds321 wrote: post #12

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I think it was first posted on their blog here: https://blog.patreon.com/a-note-from-jack

Are we supposed to know who Jack is? Sounds like someone is in serious need of an ego check.

Patreon's creator and CEO.

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Post by tester756 »

noirbot wrote: post #261
tester756 wrote: post #201

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Discord had small engineering team and they outperformed Teams, Google's VoIPs, Skype, Ventrilo, TeamSpeak, Zoom

Have they outperformed Zoom and Teams? That feels like a stretch, even if I prefer Discord to either of them Plus, they had a small team, but I met most of them back in the Hammer and Chisel days and they were already a 20 person team at that point at least. I'm not at all trying to say you can't have a good product with a small company. It's the incessant "I could do this myself in a month. I won't actually do it, b…

>Have they outperformed Zoom and Teams? That feels like a stretch, even if I prefer Discord to either of them

Better product

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Post by snapetom »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #133
fckgw wrote: post #130

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Some of this is because of the WARN Act in California [0], which requires 60-day notice before any mass layoff. Employers can also fulfill the requirements of this mandate by letting employees go now but having their actual termination date 60+ days in advance. I've been survived a few layoffs that work this way. Good for Patreon to go beyond the 60-day mandated period though [0] https://edd.ca.gov/en/Jobs_and_Traini…

> I've been survived a few layoffs that work this way. How many times have you been laid off?!

Unless you're in government/health. You're going to lucky not to be laid off multiple times in your career and if you're not laid off at all in your career, consider yourself extremely lucky.
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