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Plastic might be making us obese

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Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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Did anyone say plastic is the only factor?

They're claiming its the primary factor even though it's not obviously higher among the obese populations.

Who said plastic is the primary factor? The Washington Post's expert said determining what fraction of obesity is related to chemical exposure is difficult. The 1st comment said plastic wasn't a factor.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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>Are Asians simply using less plastic than other races? Considering that Japanese use an absolutely terrifying amount of plastic for food packaging and aren't landwhales, I'd say the theory from TFA's headline is bunk.

Or it could simply be explained as the Japanese culture of eating conservatively; portions tend not be "supersized" unlike in America.

The data presented is Asian-Americans. Cultural traits, sure, but trying to explain the phenomena by referring to non-American Japanese culture is a bit of a stretch.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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If a factor can't explain why non-Hispanic Asians have much lower prevalence of obesity than any other race, I tend not to trust it. Are Asians simply using less plastic than other races? Look at the chart: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db288.pdf The chart is simply striking. We should all be investigating what are the Asians doing right that all of us should learn from.

Why not genetics?

Any explanation to the American obesity epidemic needs to explain why it exploded in the 1980s and has accelerated since then.

Genetics would exactly fail this test.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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I'm American living in Europe. There is sugar in every packaged food here too just FYI. And not just in the country I live in, it's basically everywhere in grocery stores. So sugar is not the only culprit.

I'm an American in Europe, and really, what I've noticed here is it's natural sugar in stuff, whereas in America it's HFCS. I can't help but wonder if that's part of the difference. I list 5-10kg easily without watching what I ate (and drank much more cause there's nothing else to do of an evening in Ireland), while keeping the same activity level or slightly less. There's something different in the food, and I can't…

This is going to be an extremely challenging thesis to explain the phenomena, as HFCS and sucrose are effectively chemically identical once they hit the stomach.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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post #303

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Why not genetics?

Any explanation to the American obesity epidemic needs to explain why it exploded in the 1980s and has accelerated since then. Genetics would exactly fail this test.

Genetics and plastic (or whatever else)?

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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This is absurd. The authors should look at what some people (or perhaps they themselves, and that's the issue) have in their trolley (cart?) next time they're shopping (storing? ;)). Obesity is, for at least the most part, plainly not caused by too many/wrong pesticides on fruit and vegetables. It is caused by (far) too many things that are not fruits and vegetables.

This is an utterly naive assessment:

To answer the question of "why are people obese" with "not eating enough fruits and vegetables" completely ignores that all the research that demonstrates that it's simply not true.

Why do obese people rapidly gain weight after losing it, even with diets that wouldn't cause normal weight people to gain any weight? Why do obese people seem to be simply more hungry than normal weight people.

There are myriad questions that your thesis doesn't and can't answer. It would also be trivial to prove this thesis true, yet obesity still tends to confound scientists, especially with childhood obesity, which did not even exist three generations ago.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm American living in Europe. There is sugar in every packaged food here too just FYI. And not just in the country I live in, it's basically everywhere in grocery stores. So sugar is not the only culprit.

I'm an American in Europe, and really, what I've noticed here is it's natural sugar in stuff, whereas in America it's HFCS. I can't help but wonder if that's part of the difference. I list 5-10kg easily without watching what I ate (and drank much more cause there's nothing else to do of an evening in Ireland), while keeping the same activity level or slightly less. There's something different in the food, and I can't…

"Lower" is far more important than "real".

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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post #210

If a factor can't explain why non-Hispanic Asians have much lower prevalence of obesity than any other race, I tend not to trust it. Are Asians simply using less plastic than other races? Look at the chart: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db288.pdf The chart is simply striking. We should all be investigating what are the Asians doing right that all of us should learn from.

Perhaps in those populations many generations consuming soy products selected for resistance against ill-effects from plant phytosterols, and against other endocrine disruptors as a side-effect.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any explanation to the American obesity epidemic needs to explain why it exploded in the 1980s and has accelerated since then. Genetics would exactly fail this test.

Genetics and plastic (or whatever else)?

This is certainly plausible, but seems like a rather unreasonably complex potential solution.

Re: Plastic might be making us obese

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I don't know why they're still grasping at straws. We know why we're fat, the science has already been concluded, and a dozen papers get published every year continuing to hammer nails in a coffin we already buried: diets low in salt and/or low in saturated fat and/or high in oxidized unsaturated fats and/or high in carbohydrates and otherwise devoid of nutrition case weight gain, and the Standard American Diet pride…

Yes, pretty much. The problem is some cherry picked studies from the 70s that are just plain misinformation. Atkins did a huge disservice to humanity.
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