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Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by BrendanEich »

mastazi wrote: post #94
wooque wrote: post #72

Just install Brave, its adblocker is natively implemented and not affected by Manifest V3 fiasco.

that's what Brave staff keep repeating but in the meantime all other extensions that need v2 are a pain to install, for example this one https://libredirect.github.io/ requires you to enable dev mode, load the extension and then apply any updates manually. They announced a Brave Extensions Store years ago and there are no news as of today. I'm actually thinking to go back to Firefox because of this.

We never announced an extension store.

I said we'd support uBO and uMatrix at least, and we're discussing that with their maintainers now.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by jacooper »

maskros wrote: post #289
jacooper wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also its just simply the best engine on the market.

Not true. Firefox is vastly better in terms of rendering quality for scaled and/or transformed raster images. Chrome always sacrifices quality for performance, with no way to choose. Firefox's SVG support is also miles ahead, both in rendering quality and features.

This is only a part of a browser engine.

Security? Website isolation? Performance? And many other things are just simply better in chromium.

https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.ht...

Yes Google is abusing its influence on chromium, but one must admit, its simply the best engine out there.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by BrendanEich »

judge2020 wrote: post #122
monkeynotes wrote: post #108

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Being that Brave and numerous other browsers are built on Chrome, does that mean they will also have this limitation?

Brave has their own built-in adblocker so I don't see them putting any effort into keeping Mv3 around after it's actually removed from Chromium.

You mean MV2. I've said we'll keep support uBO and uMatrix uses of it, at least. This means we'd have support from the maintainers for their builds to produce extensions we can add to our component updater as optional for our users. We are discussing this now with uBO/uM maintainers.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by jacooper »

bpye wrote: post #228
jacooper wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also its just simply the best engine on the market.

Is it the best or does it just _seem_ to be the best as most web content is only tested on Chrome, or Chrome and mobile Safari perhaps?

Its technologically better.

Especially when talking about security.

https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.ht...

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by cycomanic »

JeremyNT wrote: post #218
cycomanic wrote: post #181

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Don't these run on Firefox nightly on android? You need to change some advanced settings, but according to [1] they should work. [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2020/09/29/expanded-extensio...

Parent asked about Firefox for Android. This functionality you mention is only available in Firefox Nightly, and even then it requires setting up a curated list on Mozilla's service to use it.

What's wrong with running Firefox nightly on android? I've been running it as my main browser for quite a while and have hardly experienced any breakage (maybe 2 or 3 times in the last 3 years).

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by BrendanEich »

ryannevius wrote: post #61
therealmarv wrote: post #54

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Switch to Brave, you will still maintain 99% of the bell and whistles of Chrome (because it's a Chrome fork) and you will have an Adblock engine directly in the browser core written in Rust. How cool is that... Especially on mobile Brave is a game changer. https://github.com/brave/adblock-rust

Does Brave have the memory / slowdown issues attributed to Chrome on Apple silicone MacBooks?

Works great on my 14" 2021 MBP. Anyone else? Pointer to details of slowdown welcome. Thanks.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by BrendanEich »

tssva wrote: post #252
alexb_ wrote: post #64

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I despise anything that has touched cryptocurrency, which is why I don't like Brave.

I have no idea what they have been up to lately but when originally rolled out Brave's business model seemed very much like a protection racket. I haven't touched it since and never will.

We don't take fees to unblock ads, so you must mean the "acceptable ads" extensions and not Brave.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by BrendanEich »

schleck8 wrote: post #152
therealmarv wrote: post #68

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It's all opt-in. Brave is self sustainable for opt-in privacy respecting ads and crypto is a way for making users opt-in and getting paid. Compare that with Firefox which does not have a real sustainable business model and relying on Google or other sponsors.

Everything but their crypto is opt out - Wallet = has to be removed from the toolbar manually - Crypto background ads = has to be deactivated - Crypto Exchange ads = has to be deactivated - Decentralized domain resolving = has to be deactivated - BAT = Not enabled by default but has to be removed from the toolbar manually

Having to turn off "opt-in" UX widgets is not "out-out". "Opt-out" would mean you had to turn off the feature that was on by default, not remove the button or other affordance to turn it on when it is off by default.

I get your complaint, you want nothing visible to do with our opt-in, off by default crypto stuff. But calling that stuff "out-out" is misusing the phrase. It's off by default.

The New Tab Page sponsored images are non-tracking and not crypto related unless you opt into rewards, so I wouldn't lump them in here. Turn off in slider-widget control at bottom of NTP.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by yibers »

jacooper wrote: post #212
Havoc wrote: post #176

Firefox seems pretty much on par with chrome these days and FF seems to win out on detection rates anyway so not sure why I'd want this combo? https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b... Does anyone has stats of adguard vs ublock by chance?

Firefox on android is horrible. Full of bugs and slow downs.

I use Firefox on Android with uBlock origin for blocking ads and kagi for search. This Google (albeit Android is Google) free browsing works extremely well for me.

Re: AdGuard publishes the first ad blocker built on Manifest V3

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Post by tsimionescu »

Fatnino wrote: post #205
ameshkov wrote: post #149

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This sort of boycotting will only work when widely supported by both developers and users and this is not the case. Despite all the public outcry and news outlets telling that the end is near, it didn't affect the Chrome's share. > Without us chrome would likely not be in the position it is today and google could not dictate the terms like they do. I kind of disagree with this. Google Chrome's current popularity stan…

If suddenly there was no ad blocking available on Chrome cold turkey we would see nearly all users who are accustomed to an ad free experience go looking for a new browser. Coordinate this with a marketing blitz from Firefox and essentially you can take nearly all the Chrome ad block users and turn them into Firefox users. And from there it's word of mouth even from the non-techies. Good ad blocking is an essential p…

Unfortunately, we have a negative case study for this belief, one that proves the impact would be minimal: Android. Chrome on Android doesn't support any adblockers, while Firefox does, with perfectly simple installation. Still, Firefox Android is only a tiny sliver of the pie.

(posted from Firefox on Android)

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