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Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by paulcarroty »

BudaDude wrote: post #33

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

> Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

Absolutely, this is crazy bullshit. Let's share it everywhere, 'cause without mass highlight situation isn't going to change: Apple just picking up the side with bigger money.

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Post by mhoad »

rexreed wrote: post #281
ekianjo wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> everyone here is choosing cheaper Chinese goods so we're all complicit too. its not like we have much choice anymore as consumers. There's hardly anything made elsewhere.

It was the consumer's choice on what to buy and where to buy it from. But demand for low prices, regardless of where and how things are manufactured (overseas and in sweatshops) and lack of demand for accountability in the 1980s and 1990s when manufacturers shipped jobs and work overseas that resulted in where we are. Consumers always have choice, we've just made self-serving short-term choices.

I don’t know exactly where the line is when it comes to who’s responsibility it is about “products made in China” but I would make the argument that trying to push decisions focused around things like national security, geopolitics, macroeconomics etc down to the consumer level is basically a bullshit move.

Regular people don’t have the right level of knowledge to make those decisions and it’s not realistic to expect that of them. I would much rather talk about the party who not only had the right level of information but was also the one who actively made the decisions that lead to this situation to begin with.

At the end of the day Apple have a lot more to answer for than regular consumers.

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Post by trasz »

przemub wrote: post #17

Trade is really a matter for the government, and the US (sadly) adheres to the One China Policy. This just reflects the official policy, and having the companies pick this fight instead of the country is hypocritical.

>US (sadly) adheres to the One China Policy

How terrible of them to adhere to the policy Taiwanese themselves prefer!

EDIT: To clarify, from what I remember the public opinion on Taiwan independence has been steadily shifting and now it’s the majority’s preference compared to becoming another province of China. At the same time the vast majority of Taiwanese prefer the option “let’s keep things as they are now”, if that option is available in the poll. Taiwan does have some special ties with continental China, particularly in economy and travel; it’s more like EU than two entirely unrelated countries.

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Post by lostlogin »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #251
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #25

I have a friend working for a company whose biggest clients are in the Emirates. One of said client is the government, and it is asking them to buy some very specific equipment, knowing fully well this equipment is only sold in Israel. However, the Emirates cannot trade with Israel, and refuse to pay for any equipment labelled as coming from this country. Calling one of the officials, they asked for a solution. They…

> However, the Emirates cannot trade with Israel, that's a ruse used only internally to foment hatred against "the Jews" https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/08/25/the-uae-spends-big-on-i...

It is possible to disagree with a state and it’s policies while being fine with its people. I’d put quite a few countries in this category.

I’m pretty confident that’s not what the UAE are doing, and don’t support them.

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Post by _-david-_ »

aidenn0 wrote: post #139
ElectricalUnion wrote: post #67

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> And basically everyone here is choosing cheaper Chinese goods so we're all complicit too. You mean big corporations and their greedy shareholders choose for us?

A smartphone is probably the quintessential "Chinese only" product. Nevertheless, there is one smartphone made in the USA (Librem 5). None of its parts appear to be sourced by Chinese companies, but some of the parts manufacturers have factories in China (I would not be too surprised to find out that the Samsung front-camera is made in China, for example). I can't say for sure that it's lacks any china-manufactured i…

> I don't want to spend $1300 on a phone

It is worse than that. The regular Librem 5 is $1300, but the one made in the US is $2000.

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Post by ericmay »

josephcsible wrote: post #295
ericmay wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there are a number of American-made or western-made products on the market. Everything from plates and dishes from Costa Nova to barbells from Rogue Fitness to honey from apiaries in Pennsylvannia. I’m not sure but I think Patagonia produces a lot of their clothing outside of China as well. An iPhone? Not so much today, but that doesn’t have to be true forever. I think the case is that most people don’t actua…

> most people can’t be bothered to look at the origin of the products they’re buying Isn't the problem that online sellers (e.g., Amazon) usually don't tell you this on the website, so you have no way of finding out until it arrives? > But cheaper than a gallon of milk from a farmer nearby? This is only true because the government holds the price of milk artificially high.

> Isn't the problem that online sellers (e.g., Amazon) usually don't tell you this on the website, so you have no way of finding out until it arrives?

I’d say the problem is when you (not you specifically) claim to care about buying things that are made in China and then not do any basic research on the products and their origin. Also just don’t buy from online retailers like Amazon. It’s just a digital Wal-Mart.

> This is only true because the government holds the price of milk artificially high.

Sure it was just an example.

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Post by geph2021 »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #25

I have a friend working for a company whose biggest clients are in the Emirates. One of said client is the government, and it is asking them to buy some very specific equipment, knowing fully well this equipment is only sold in Israel. However, the Emirates cannot trade with Israel, and refuse to pay for any equipment labelled as coming from this country. Calling one of the officials, they asked for a solution. They…

Tell your friend to tread carefully with requests like this.

My yearly "Business Conduct Training" (required by my employer) explicitly lists things like this as against company policy, a fireable offence, not to mention potentially illegal (circumventing embargoes, trade restrictions or sanctions).

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Post by 99_00 »

Atatator wrote: post #286
99_00 wrote: post #240

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“Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.” The Art of War, Sun Tzu It amazes me how many people assume China has a strong military without doing the most basic research.

Hmm Military Watch Magazine places China into "TIER ONE MILITARY POWERS" list https://militarywatchmagazine.com/forceapp/countries/ Do you have any source saying that China's military is not as strong as it appears to be?

Right behind Russia. Who would be defeated in Ukraine with a hand full decommissioned f-16s and a-10s.

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Post by salawat »

denimnerd42 wrote: post #285
miles wrote: post #270

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> The only way to not be complicit is to not have a phone. China makes them all. Not exactly: Librem 5 USA: "The Freedom and Privacy of the Librem 5, plus Made in the USA Electronics with a Secure Supply Chain." https://puri.sm/products/librem-5-usa/ "If you want a smartphone built outside China and the walled gardens of Google and Apple, Purism's Librem 5 USA may be for you." https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/07/i…

that's a toy

Gotta start somewhere.

Keep in mind, the Nokia bricks of the days of yore. They were still fully functional telecommunication devices. Just because the Librem is probably a glorified Raspberry Pi doesn't mean it isn't worth investing in to help grow the domestic supply chain.

The world is bound by Physics and miracles facilitated by networks. When faced with a toxic hub node, you route around, and reinforce alternative routes.

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Post by lostlogin »

_trampeltier wrote: post #229
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #25

I have a friend working for a company whose biggest clients are in the Emirates. One of said client is the government, and it is asking them to buy some very specific equipment, knowing fully well this equipment is only sold in Israel. However, the Emirates cannot trade with Israel, and refuse to pay for any equipment labelled as coming from this country. Calling one of the officials, they asked for a solution. They…

I know some storys with relabeling some products in Switzerland to. A country would not deal with the EU. So stuff came to Switzerland, got a new label and got shipped. International trading is a kind of funny place. I know a women who works on a company who make also things for large gas pipes (process industrie). She said, long before the war started, funny thing happened with a lot of involved companys.

> She said, long before the war started, funny thing happened with a lot of involved companys.

Are you able to give any examples?

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