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Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

boruto wrote: post #237
MrBlueIncognito wrote: post #139

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TL;DR two extremists make offensive statements on television, journalist tweeting a segment from it to bring it to public attention gets arrested. You may argue that Mohammed Zubair is somehow an evil cynical person who wants to watch the world burn, but the fact is that tweeting a segment from national television is not a criminal offence and should not be treated as such. > which is normal and typically goes unpuni…

Well he was not arrested for it. If he had stuck to doing what he did I guess no one would go after him. He had caused diplomatic issues and bayed for nupurs head. It would do well to remember what a minority ABV gov did to tehelka and promotors. Guess that is what Modi gov is trying here.

Nupur caused the diplomatic issues with her comments, as the counterparty countries with the actual issues clearly articulated to both India and the world, in response to said comments.

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

throwaway_1928 wrote: post #281
thealig wrote: post #268

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The "majority" of Indians watch and read from a small set of media outlets, most of them biased pro-government news media which feed only news showing the Indian government and authorities in a positive light while completely leaving out their problems. Basically, news confirming their biases. Critical journalism is pretty much marginal and niche - these outlets are fewer because there are very little incentives. The…

> There are a few like NDTV and Dainik bhaskar, who routinely face sanctions by governmental bodies for not sticking to the governmental narrative. The founder of NDTV is a communist, his sister in law and her husband are members of the 'politburo' of one of the communist parties in India [1]. NDTV is effectively a mouthpiece of the left-wing Congress and Communist parties of India. [1] https://www.freepressjournal.i…

you say that in a manner suggesting that you think holding those political views is both inherently bad, and deserving of arbitrary punishment

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

throwaway_9120 wrote: post #300
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #294

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I have not seen the government official who mocked a God (Nupur) face "the maximum repercussions possible" for doing so

There are real threats to her life. She has been suspended from the party. In the last 1 month, the radical Muslims have already beheaded [1][2] two Hindus for sharing Nupur's comments. Every other week there is a video [3] from a radical Muslim clamoring for her blood. What more repercussions you want for the lady? [1] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/udaipur/udaipur-tai... [2] https://www.india.com/maharash…

There are also threats to the lives of those protesting the government, as well as those who are simply Muslim. In that respect, Nupur is no different from those she attacked, aside from her having exceptional powers to defend herself.

As for your question, how about actual, official government consequences for her actions, similar to the ones the government imposes on similar offenses committed by Indian people of Muslim faith?

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Post by web108 »

honkler wrote: post #283
modi15 wrote: post #184

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Exactly. No one is talking about how a Muslim tailor was killed by a bunch of Hindus and brazenly captured in video which also threatened the country's PM of a similar fate. The Hindu community then proceeded to pelt stones on the Police which came to arrest the killers.

remember akhlaq who was killed for allegation of eating beef, by hindu terrorists of india? Remember the hindu terrorist shambhu lal regar, who killed a man on live facebook, then proceeded to burn his body. it's high time the world recognizes this issue and places security concerns in respective countries for people having such bent of mind.

Your language is one which is mostly employed by leftists Congressis, psuedo-liberals and radical Muslims in India. This "Hindu terrorist" word has been coined by such people to whitewash the horrific crimes done by radical Muslims in India and all over the world. Do you have a single incident to show where Hindus have been involved in a terrorist activity in any part of the world?

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Post by throwaway_9120 »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #303
throwaway_9120 wrote: post #300

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There are real threats to her life. She has been suspended from the party. In the last 1 month, the radical Muslims have already beheaded [1][2] two Hindus for sharing Nupur's comments. Every other week there is a video [3] from a radical Muslim clamoring for her blood. What more repercussions you want for the lady? [1] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/udaipur/udaipur-tai... [2] https://www.india.com/maharash…

There are also threats to the lives of those protesting the government, as well as those who are simply Muslim. In that respect, Nupur is no different from those she attacked, aside from her having exceptional powers to defend herself. As for your question, how about actual, official government consequences for her actions, similar to the ones the government imposes on similar offenses committed by Indian people of M…

Please improve your knowledge of the matter.

In ref to your 1st comment, she is NOT a govt official. She never held any position in the govt pre or post incident. Party spokesperson != Govt official.

There are several FIRs filed on her across the country. That is an official government consequence.

I'm not sure if you have a balanced perspective or just blindly supporting actions against her.

Do you have any idea why she uttered what she uttered? Go through the complete video clip (not the edited one), you would understand. A person of Muslim faith was persistently mocking a Hindu deity on a news show. She got agitated and all she did was commented - rather crudely - on the Muslim God in return. (Whatever she commented on the Muslim God is on record and said by Muslim scholars and is written in Hadith) This became the flashpoint of the debate. For the life of me, I can't understand, how your mocking my faith is fine but my mocking back becomes a crime? AltNews anchor, Zubair, edited out the part said by Muslim panelist and just showed what Nupur said. This was picked up by their ecosystem and flashed across the Middle East nations.

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

throwaway_9120 wrote: post #305
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are also threats to the lives of those protesting the government, as well as those who are simply Muslim. In that respect, Nupur is no different from those she attacked, aside from her having exceptional powers to defend herself. As for your question, how about actual, official government consequences for her actions, similar to the ones the government imposes on similar offenses committed by Indian people of M…

Please improve your knowledge of the matter. In ref to your 1st comment, she is NOT a govt official. She never held any position in the govt pre or post incident. Party spokesperson != Govt official. There are several FIRs filed on her across the country. That is an official government consequence . I'm not sure if you have a balanced perspective or just blindly supporting actions against her. Do you have any idea wh…

I consider the spokesperson for the party leading the government to carry more weight than a journalist, but that's beside the point. I'm ignoring the pretexts and prevarications, not only because they aren't justifications (two wrongs don't make a right), but also because they're one-sided. There is not a venue, for instance, where those of the religious minority being persecuted, can seek a trial judged by a jury of their peers, and present their own justifications, while those of Hindu faith are nearly guaranteed it. Thus, those of the latter faith can realistically mock those of the former faith with no official punishment, whereas the inverse is punished by the government severely.

Contrast the FIR you mentioned, issued at long last, only after criticism, with the family home being demolished without due process, of some Muslim Indians who engaged in that very criticism of the ruling party's bias, thus reinforcing that very bias

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Post by throwaway_1928 »

thealig wrote: post #295
throwaway_1928 wrote: post #281

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> There are a few like NDTV and Dainik bhaskar, who routinely face sanctions by governmental bodies for not sticking to the governmental narrative. The founder of NDTV is a communist, his sister in law and her husband are members of the 'politburo' of one of the communist parties in India [1]. NDTV is effectively a mouthpiece of the left-wing Congress and Communist parties of India. [1] https://www.freepressjournal.i…

Think you're missing the point, its about a healthy environment where having multiple viewpoints (including criticism of the government regardless of ruling political coalition) are expressed through journalism and other media which is simply not present in india. state and central governments have massive influence over what discourse is encouraged and it usually sways towards what their political agenda and inclina…

I agree with what you say about the importance of a free and independent media.

I am merely stating why some media outlets mentioned here might be motivated to question one type of government a lot more than another.

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Post by throwaway_1928 »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #293
throwaway_1928 wrote: post #279

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The original comment provides more factual context than yours: > current controversy has been stirred up by Hindu nationalists targeting India's Muslim minority This is just an opinion. And no mention of the ISIS-style executions carried out by the 'Muslim minority'? > The Gyanvapi mosque is older than the United States What is your point? The Hindu temple it was built over is older than the Islamic religion. > Zubai…

>Zubair was arrested for rumor mongering to disrupt harmony between religions, which is a crime in India. I have not seen many arrests of those doing so regarding Islam, does the law only protect the Hindu religion?

No I believe the current law applies equally to all religions.

However, Sonia Gandhi, mother of India's Congress Party leader and Prime Ministerial contender Rahul Gandhi did once try to promote a bill which would by definition hold only Hindus responsible for religious violence [1].

[1] https://www.legallyindia.com/views/entry/the-ugly-truth-behi...

Re: Tell HN: Razorpay a YC company shared donor data under a Section 91 order

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Post by throwaway_1928 »

MrBlueIncognito wrote: post #113
throwaway_1928 wrote: post #85

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Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement applies here. You couldn't refute the central point of something you disagreed with, so you resorted to sarcasm and mockery. Perhaps it would've helped if you had a proper counterargument based on facts and reason. Maybe you could have encouraged us to see things the way you do, but the comment you just wrote will only serve to nudge us to disagree more strongly with you.

Brandolini's Law applies too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law

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Post by methusala8 »

ezekiel11 wrote: post #224
ushakov wrote: post #7

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they keep funding fraudsters https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31431224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30899352

dont forget coinbase and how much Paul vouched for that awful grifter Brian Armstrong. some families out there are now fatherless because they lost money on the shitcoins promoted thru and offered on coinbase. imagine enriching yourself by having poor ppl transfer over their life savings and causing suicides. this is what Paul & YC/crypto proponents are okay with since its not illegal.

Did Paul ask them to handover the money too?

There is such a thing as using our brains and then living with the consequences of our decisions.

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