Watching an acquirer ruin your company

Post by lovich » Sun, Jul 03, 2022, 5:55 PM UTC

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> Software engineers have been tricked into thinking they are part of the in club because they are paid well enough to have the lifestyle that the middle class had between ww2 and the 80s This, and additionally we've been tricked into feeling guilty about it as well.

If you think thatthe lifestyle of a software developer with a few years of professional experience is only as good as the middle class between the late 40's and 80's you're either vastly revising history or weren't there. And before you trot out home ownership remember that all those tiny post-war bungalows housed families bigger than yours and were not located in the handful of big centers were housing is so expensi…

Post by closewith » Sun, Jul 03, 2022, 6:14 PM UTC

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Well, depends on the country you live in. My country: https://www.platy.cz/platy/doprava-spedice-logistika/pilot https://www.platy.cz/platy/informacni-technologie/programato... Average is CZK per calendar month gross (which is some 25-30% higher than net). Pilots 38k - 132k Programmers 36k - 86k as employees. If you work as a freelancer programmer (i.e. you have your own trade license) you can easily earn twice as mu…

It's pretty disingenuous to equate a RyanAir pilot with a student, which speaks to the misleading nature of comparing these statistics straight up; go look at what it takes in terms of training, experience and seniority to get to one of those higher paid pilot jobs. Now compare it to software development. 36k is less than minimum wage in Canada ( < $2K CAD / month); junior developers are easily making 3x that in thei…

Post by smcl » Sun, Jul 03, 2022, 7:17 PM UTC

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Would this not be the best time to form a union, though? If we start to hit tough times when programmers are treated like shit and the job market is tight, then your colleagues will be less inclined to rock the boat and management will be actively trying to crack down on any attempts to organize. Basically when you need a union it could be too late. Right now management will be off-guard, not expecting any unionisati…

Software engineers: "No, it's going to be different for us!" Education still doesn't prevent us from falling in particular traps.

Post by dahart » Sun, Jul 03, 2022, 8:08 PM UTC

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> open source software can mitigate some of the risks Have you seen this work in practice, do you have any examples to share? It’s hard to take seriously at face value for two reasons: 1- generally speaking it might undermine the acquisition in the first place since acquirers and investors and boards tend to like private potentially patentable IP, or at the very least proprietary code. 2- More importantly using your…

> > open source software can mitigate some of the risks > Have you seen this work in practice, do you have any examples to share? Blender? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blender_(software)

Post by kortilla » Sun, Jul 03, 2022, 8:49 PM UTC

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> when Kickstarter ran its unionizing campaign it turns out one of their demands was no productivity tracking software! This is naive. Any ticket tracking system can be used to track productivity. And if you don’t have a ticket tracking system to organize work, that’s a miserable environment to work in.

But it also means at minimum a middle manager can’t use software that does stupid shit like neatly displaying comparable lines of code and stack rank devs based off this. I like this minimum. I don’t need a union to perfectly solve the problem of micromanagement but I can happily pay portions of my salary towards minimum standards of workplace environment.