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Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Sorry, does Google normally bar their employees from relocating at will anyway?

Usually it's a long process to relocate. They may be stating that they are willing to approve it for anyone who wants to relocate while at the same time making the process easy for them.

I'm getting the popcorn ready for when a person who was born male asks Google for permission to relocate to a State where this service for females is allowed. The more that companies get involved in politics, the more this turns in to clown world.

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I seem to be the only one interested in facts rather than hysterical speculation. The facts are nobody can produce a law or proposed law banning contraception or IVF or requiring every embryo to be used. What's been produced so far is an article from 2005 (above) about a handful of extreme conservative groups, which has clearly gone nowhere in the past 17 years and a video of Ben Shapiro, whose only job is to say pro…

Okay, I will make a note to reply to you again when these things come to pass. At some point, you have to admit that the "hysterical speculation" is really just foresight given current events. Will you admit it then? I honestly am happy waiting to reply till then.

It seems like you want these things to happen so you can gloat and say "I told you so"

If instead you were interested in the opposite result - making women's reproductive rights explicitly legal - what you would need to do in a democracy is convince enough people to vote for the laws you want.

To do that you need to understand what the people you disagree with are actually saying and what the actual words are in the laws that you don't like. Not speculation about what you imagine the logical conclusion of their reasoning is, not what you read in a headline or a tweet about what the law says (those are often misleading and sometimes outright lies), but the real words that are in the law.

From that point you can attempt to address the real arguments that the people you disagree with are really making. Addressing fake arguments that you imagined they made does not convince anyone.

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Here you go: https://www.findlaw.com/family/reproductive-rights/griswold-... > At the time, a Connecticut law prohibited the use of "any drug, medicinal article or instrument for the purpose of preventing conception" and punished anyone who "assists, abets, counsels, causes, hires or commands another" to do so (in other words, it wasn't a crime to sell birth control devices, but it was a crime to use birth control or…

The "at the time" was 1965. Contraception was new and controversial 50 years ago. It's not anymore and is widely supported. Is there any current law or proposal to outlaw contraception? Such a law would be wildly unpopular, even among most pro-life people.

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Lol I agree. I think people who take maximalist positions often speak the most distantly about how they feel, using a lot of second or third person pronouns and focusing on how people certainly are and not how they might feel.

Part of that may be that feelings are a very difficult basis for constructive conversation if you disagree strongly. Even if you feel strongly, presenting your position as not emotionally based at least helps move the conversation forward.

I've seen that often when I say how I'm feeling, like actually feeling, and the other person does as well, it can help me feel more connected to them and as a result maybe less connected to the belief/idea/preference I held before the conversation. Not always, sometimes I still feel very adamant about a position and yet I tend to open a bit to their humanity.

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> pulled out (...) to avoid reputational damage to their brands. French retailer Auchan did not move out of Russia and I have some friends who stopped shopping there and are quite vocal about how noone should shop there.

Because the company decided that the risk of reputational damage was smaller than the value of their Russian operations? The fact that they decided to stay put doesn't mean they support the invasion. Don't anthropomorphize corporations.

Corporations are owned by and run by people. Actual humans make those decisions.

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Here you go: https://www.findlaw.com/family/reproductive-rights/griswold-... > At the time, a Connecticut law prohibited the use of "any drug, medicinal article or instrument for the purpose of preventing conception" and punished anyone who "assists, abets, counsels, causes, hires or commands another" to do so (in other words, it wasn't a crime to sell birth control devices, but it was a crime to use birth control or…

The "at the time" was 1965. Contraception was new and controversial 50 years ago. It's not anymore and is widely supported. Is there any current law or proposal to outlaw contraception? Such a law would be wildly unpopular, even among most pro-life people.

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So you think it’s ok, we shouldn’t have laws against that. It’s her choice. To be fair it was the case in primitive societies, they could dispose of the kids or the elderly at any time. I think a prefer a society where we protect the vulnerable, those who cannot defend themselves.

I think the person you’re replying to agrees with you; they were trying to intentionally be absurd. The only problem: a fetus is not a child, and this entire rhetorical strategy requires us to ignore that fact.

A fetus not a child, but concluding that it deserves no protection isn’t a foregone conclusion.

I mean people who injure a pregnant woman and it results in fetal death are criminally charged. So in that case we do consider it worthy of protection under the law.

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Honestly, Apple should be dialing down investment in Texas.

I can see that being smart, but even after the influx of tech Austin is still a way lower cost of living than CA and their campus is close to a few good stem universities. Plus, if everyone educated leaves the place it will just perpetuate. Then again, climate change will probably make it unlivable anyway.

That perpetual motion machine is one of my top fears as well - and sadly perhaps part of their calculus.

I work in D politics and don't think TX will be Dem anytime within the next few cycles. But the trend is there; especially if young people move in.

GA is closer IMHO.

FL is slipping away and illustrates this compounding effect that the GOP has engineered.

Florida's GOP SCO-FL (?) just allowed a really gerrymandered CD map put out by DeSantis, a break with norms.

The map is clearly undemocratic IMHO. 20 of 28 are now pretty safe R. That's very lopsided for the perennial swing state. Even trending +3% R, it should be a toss up.

State and local level is the same story, often worse.

More than people moving away, stopping immigration of young people has a big affect. That's big reason my state of Colorado has turned from purple to fairly solid blue.

Attacking women, queer people, non-religious people, POC, makes the state unwelcoming and even dangerous.

Being a bully gives them more power, which allows them to create more levers and enshrine more advantages to this power.

They have set themselves up to rule a divided states of America where they maintain extreme authoritarian power against the absolute majority.

You're also right in that global warming doesn't give a damn.

Sadly again their blocking of even sensible actions is just another example of what should be a minority party by #s literally killing people who have little power over this situation.

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Fun work perk: we're moving you to a location with a local culture you find abhorrent

It's not unprecedented. That was basically the premise of mandatory bussing: Force children to go schools they may not like simply to even out the racial proportion. Obviously, it didn't work.

Do you think busing was for the culture - and not - giving access to better-funded schools?

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This strikes me as wildly implausible. The US broadly has very permissive abortion laws compared to most of Europe, but I have never once heard of anyone migrating to the US over greater abortion access. It's always economic/opportunity concerns. Going further back, during the Soviet era when abortion was widespread (i.e. 2-3 abortions per live birth in the 60s-70s), did anyone want to migrate to the Eastern bloc for…

> The US broadly has very permissive abortion laws compared to most of Europe a) I assume you're talking about the past, and not the future. b) The issue is less that our laws are restrictive , and more that they're written in a capricious, illogical, incomplete, and ignorant way. What do you think is going to happen to people with emergency reproductive conditions (e.g. late stage ectopic pregnancies) when doctors h…

Some states are explicitly banning procedures to save women's lives in emergencies such as ectopic pregnancies.

It really is that bad.

The right have been emboldened.

Thomas is no longer afraid to say their goals out loud: they are coming for more rights.

I'm terrified. As a queer person I already feel targeted.

Dehumanization & equating all queer people to pedophiles is a Nazi tactic which allows people to delude & rationalize to themselves that they are actually doing the right thing whilst perpetrating their hate and violence.

Not even going to go on tangent about Thomas' wife. It's the same undeniable b.s. that they espouse at their confirmations: I don't bring my personal (wife's) opinions into rulings (marriage).

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