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Re: US quietly urges more use of Russia fertilizer to ease food crisis

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Post by jononor »

snemvalts wrote: post #202
at-fates-hands wrote: post #174

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Serious question then. . . How long before their economy collapses? Of course with the idea that everything you're saying is true. Which at this point, I have no basis to disagree with you. I'm just wondering how long you think it will take for all of this finally come to a head.

Once they run out of military hardware probably. Russian military doctrine has throughout ages been to throw massive amounts of human lives at the enemy, same is true for today. At some point however, without military hardware it will become absurd even for them. Russians themselves have gotten used to consumer goods etc from the west, but they are mostly too afraid to rise up against or fight for Putin, who has most…

Why would running out of military hardware cause an economic collapse?

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Post by cpursley »

labrador wrote: post #297
cpursley wrote: post #271

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Yes, Manufacturing Consent is a good one. The media & their masters tells us who to support. And Ukraine vs Russia is profitable.

It's simpler than a conspiracy, although a conspiracy may exist. Ukrainians are white, Christian, hold Western values and millions of people of Ukrainian descent live in the US and Canada. Opposing Russia is an easy sell.

We're in agreement (unfortunately for dark-skinned people all over the world).

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Post by jacobolus »

cpursley wrote: post #286
jacobolus wrote: post #280

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Ukraine is currently getting hammered by Russian artillery in Donbas, and suffering 100+ dead soldiers per day (as reportedly is Russia). They will only win with large amounts of ongoing foreign military and economic aid from committed partners. Why would they try to go to Moscow? They don’t have the logistical capacity to pull it off and it would be in nobody’s interest. Unlike Russia they don’t seem to be ruled by…

> They will only win with large amounts of foreign military and economic aid Which systems exactly (models, etc)? And who exactly will field them? > Ukraine will lose a bit more ground in Donbas before the Russian offensive culminates Correct, that's one of their stated objectives > The Russian military will run out of soldiers and equipment They ran out of both two months ago, didn't you hear? > Russian economy sput…

> They ran out of both two months ago, didn't you hear?

Russia has lost on order 20k dead soldiers and some multiple of that wounded, thousands of lost pieces of equipment, etc. But that is still less than half of the resources they committed in Ukraine. Despite steep losses, attrition hasn’t yet completely obliterated the Russian armed forces.

But since they have done no general mobilization in Russia, those lost troops are not being replaced, and more and more units are losing combat effectiveness with each passing month. They are also running out of untrained separatist cannon fodder from Donbas.

Ukraine has also suffered tens of thousands of casualties and lost a great deal of equipment. But since Ukraine is fighting for survival, it has much more available manpower, and its soldiers have better morale and motivation. The bottleneck for Ukraine is training and advanced weapons like artillery, rockets, missiles, and fighter jets.

> Any evidence [Russian economic trouble] is happening or will happen?

Lots of Russian industry has already shut down, and GDP is expected to contract 15% this year and an additional several percent the year after (for reference, US GDP contracted by 4.3% in the great recession, and by about 30% during 1929–1933). Europe is transitioning to other energy sources as fast as possible. In the medium term Russia is not capable of continuing much of its domestic oil production without foreign equipment and expertise. Few foreign investors are going to feel any confidence to invest in Russia, for years.

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Post by vogre »

varjag wrote: post #235
vogre wrote: post #148

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You forget there are two red lines and vague space between them. For NATO the borders of its members are red line. For Putin the red line is borders of Russia, that include Crimea and L/DPR for now. There is no way Putin leaves Crimea and nukes are not send to the Washington.

Ever wondered how Russia became the largest country out there? The borders of Russia end where Russia gets a bloody snot.

Not actually true. Current borders of Russia are defined by its reckless self-destruction in 1991. Also some land on the east of Russia was given away without any fight. For example, Alaska or Fort Ross.

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Post by jacobolus »

lawxls wrote: post #284
jacobolus wrote: post #257

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> It is not as if Ukraine has anything better to offer. They have 260+ captured Russian tanks, for one thing. Ukraine has asked supporting countries to instead send howitzers, anti-air guns/missiles, and multiple-launch rockets. By the end of this war Ukraine might end up with the largest tank army in Europe. https://oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenti... By most reports Ukraine (and Russia for that…

"By the end of this war Ukraine might end up with the largest tank army in Europe." As Ukraine officials beg for help, and ask for half of US army armor 4th month into the war, you guys keep inhaling copium, dreaming in your beds about Russia "being destroyed" in Ukraine. I wouldn't expect anything less from western propaganda enjoyers tbh. Also taking oryx stats seriously, that's fun. While some parts were definitel…

> really is a tradegy donbass and crimea situation had to be resolved this way

“It’s unfortunate those pesky Ukrainians had the audacity to exist, which forced us to invade their sovereign country, shell their cities to rubble, and mass murder their civilians. Just like we were forced to mass murder Chechens, Georgians, and Syrians. And might have to mass murder Poles, Finns, Lithuanians, Romanians, or Kazakhs in the future.”

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Post by AzzieElbab »

nemo44x wrote: post #254
AzzieElbab wrote: post #244

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why do you assume Russia wanted only the Eastern lands? Putin said he wanted all of Ukraine. The invasion started with attempt to take Kyiv. Why level Kharkiv if all you want is Donbas?

I think it was strategic to end the war quickly. They knew if they invaded the East it would be a drawn out thing. So they went for the head shot right away and hoped they could pressure a negotiation. But to their credit, Ukraine stood up to it and the Russian execution of their plan was poor. So they've since abandoned that strategy and have now settled for plan-b, which they will win eventually. It's time to stop…

You think the strategy was to take Kyiv(the cradle and former capital of Kievlyan Russia)and then exchange it for war-torn Donbas? That would be like Israelis exchanging Jerusalem for Gaza

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Post by butterfly771 »

lawxls wrote: post #284
jacobolus wrote: post #257

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> It is not as if Ukraine has anything better to offer. They have 260+ captured Russian tanks, for one thing. Ukraine has asked supporting countries to instead send howitzers, anti-air guns/missiles, and multiple-launch rockets. By the end of this war Ukraine might end up with the largest tank army in Europe. https://oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenti... By most reports Ukraine (and Russia for that…

"By the end of this war Ukraine might end up with the largest tank army in Europe." As Ukraine officials beg for help, and ask for half of US army armor 4th month into the war, you guys keep inhaling copium, dreaming in your beds about Russia "being destroyed" in Ukraine. I wouldn't expect anything less from western propaganda enjoyers tbh. Also taking oryx stats seriously, that's fun. While some parts were definitel…

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Post by osipov »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #145
realcertify wrote: post #139

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Absolutely agree. Moreover, it's the diplomatic incompetence on both sides that led to this war, which in my opinion could be easily avoided.

Easily avoided! OK, now let's hear how it could be "easily avoided".

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Post by heneryville »

legitster wrote: post #32
suetoniusp91 wrote: post #6

What is this "Food Crisis" they speak of?

Food prices in Africa and the Middle East have skyrocketed as a result of Russian sanctions.

Russian sanctions? Or Russian embargo of Ukrainian grain?

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Post by labrador »

rajup wrote: post #296
labrador wrote: post #247

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Which of the two, Russia or the US, would you rather live in and associate yourself with?

Not sure how that question is relevant, but if you think the politicians and military brass are worried at all about the “murders of children and women” I have a bridge to sell you.

The 99% who aren't psychopaths worry about it very much as something to be avoided if at all possible
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