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Post by kube-system »

bogwog wrote: post #260
deltaonefour wrote: post #227

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What has been proven is that consumers don't care about customization too much. If they want it, they don't want it that much.

How has that been "proven"? If your argument is that people are still buying Macs despite the lack of customization, well that's ignoring the state of the market. Most consumers only have two choices (Mac or Windows), and oftentimes it comes down to familiarity with one OS over the other, rather than any specific features or merits of the actual product. If Apple released a "customizable" Mac, or one that could be up…

Modular laptops currently exist, and have existed in multiple incarnations over their entire existence. They always flop in the mass market.

People in the tech community want modularity and upgradability. But you must remember that tech forums are tiny bubbles. The mass market overwhelmingly DGAF.

If you want to be successful at selling laptops to a tiny market, it is possible. You will have a company that looks like Framework or System76.

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Post by mwcampbell »

dheera wrote: post #153
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #52

All i want is a laptop with similar build quality, battery life, and Ubuntu.

This. I hate MacOS with a passion.

Surely it would be better to save one's passionate hatred for things that actually rise to that level, such as things that hurt people who can't just choose an alternative. I prefer to think of mere differences between operating systems as neither good nor bad, just different, and use whatever is most practical in any given circumstance, while trying not to get emotionally worked up about its downsides.

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Post by WithinReason »

skohan wrote: post #290
WithinReason wrote: post #148

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I've long wished that Microsoft would port Windows on ARM to the Raspberry Pi!

Why? Windows seems like a terrible option for minimal hardware?

Why? Unofficial ports work OK. Besides, imagine how efficient Windows on ARM software would be if it was developed on a Rpi

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Post by skohan »

vimy wrote: post #212
jrochkind1 wrote: post #115

I'd still buy the 14" Pro for the more ports, slower chip for more $ or not. And real function keys instead of a touchbar? They seem to be making weirdly inconsistent choices in the product line. I thought they were going to be getting rid of the touchbar (and maybe adding more ports?) and they were only still in the legacy 13" because it was legacy. But apparently they mean to indefinitely have a 13" Pro with a touc…

The 13” feels like a stopgap product. Maybe they had supply chain problems and they couldn’t redesign it so they just put an M2 in it.

It could be the case they want to keep at least one machine with touchbar on the market for some poor souls who have invested in it.

Same logic for how they keep the iPhone SE with a physical home button.

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Post by coder543 »

imwillofficial wrote: post #288
coder543 wrote: post #214

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> on my m1 just a few days ago M1 != M1 Pro/Max/Ultra. If you have an M1 Pro or M1 Max or M1 Ultra, that is not "[your] m1". Each chip has significantly different capabilities in a number of aspects. As far as display support goes, M1 = 1 external display[0] M1 Pro = 2 external displays M1 Max = 4 external displays (3 USB-C + 1 HDMI)[1] [0]: the exception is the M1 Mac Mini, which doesn't have an internal display, so…

M1 Ultra = Every display known to man.

Apple probably could support 10 displays off of M1 Ultra, but I guess they decided to leave some displays for the rest of us.

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Post by skohan »

ascendantlogic wrote: post #245
rootsudo wrote: post #182

The only downside is now magsafe over usb-c :( unless you can charge with both on new macs?

Why is that a downside? Magsafe was one of the best things about the older, early-2010's Macbooks.

I for one love charging with USB-C. By now I have USB-C cables laying around a few different places in the house, and can charge almost anything at any one of them. No going to the other room to get the cable.

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Post by ricardobeat »

clintonwoo wrote: post #258

Ouch, that MacBook Pro 13" chassis makes me hurt. The air actually has a better body, that's disappointing. The display size, magsafe and function keys are all better on Air but it doesn't have a fan for sustained performance :'(

That’s what the MBP 14/16 are for. Unless you’re editing video though, it’s unlikely you’ll notice a difference.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

speed_spread wrote: post #213
kristiandupont wrote: post #175

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Everything about it or the developer experience? I use a VM for my dev work and then run the rest (which pretty much means "a browser", these days) in MacOS. Which works perfectly.

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That's a lot of anger you're packing around there for an operating system lol

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Post by pier25 »

runevault wrote: post #53
kyleplum wrote: post #2

I can't help but wonder what Microsoft's answer to Apple Silicon will be going forward. They don't really make hardware, but selling Windows laptops gets harder and harder the further Apple gets ahead. It seems inevitable that there needs to be some ARM-based Windows laptops to compete in perf/watt to the M1/M2 but I don't know what company can provide an ARM chip that competes with Apple at this point.

Quick Google search indicates Windows still holds a 74% market share. Apple has a long way to go before they are really crunching on Windows in the general market. Hardware superiority does not guarantee success, for many people what they are already comfortable with is fine.

According to StatCounter, macOS only has 15% of the global desktop market share.

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide

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Post by ShadonototraCD »

burmanm wrote: post #177
Shadonototra wrote: post #133

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> Most of the powerful laptops are neither Macs, as those go to the gaming laptops where - this is a big surprise - games and their performance counts. Apple has no answer there. Games? the biggest market is the Mobile market, Desktop market is shrinking year after year, it'll become a niche very soon Ever heard of Genshin Impact? https://gamerant.com/genshin-impact-made-more-money-in-its-f... And please learn to pro…

Games, yes, games. We're talking about laptops here, not mobile phones. PC gaming industry is huge and continues to be (even in the future iterations you talk about). When it comes to projections, the ~1300€ laptops are not going to be the ones taking over the world. Not in any realistic projection, unless the inflation goes to Turkey level. Every people makes deliberate choice, don't discount someone's choice not be…

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