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Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Re: Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO

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Post by zenmaster10665 »

hnthrowaway0328 wrote: post #271
oliwary wrote: post #192

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As far as I can tell from the material Meta has released, they have an incredibly ambitious vision for the metaverse. Essentially, I believe they want to create glasses that you wear, that allow you to see other people in your space, wherever they are. So you could have a conversation with three friends in your living room, as if they were there, while they could be on different continents, making physical location i…

One thing I don't get is why there is a such high regard of visual input. I mean, we can speak to our friends since the telephone age, and we can see them on screen too since maybe the 90s. Is there a huge demand to actually see them IN THE SAME ROOM ? I really don't think so. But maybe future generations have different ideas. I think VR can make a lot of difference in training (e.g. medical training) but it's not co…

Isn't this the same argument as 'we have telephones. Why do we ever need to see the people on screens, isn't voice enough?'

Feeling truly present with someone isn't possible in 2d

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Post by dont__panic »

dwallin wrote: post #122
therealmarv wrote: post #37

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That's in your local bubble. In some countries Facebook is no. 1 and on same level or even more important as Google Maps for businesses. Wished it was not the case though.

These kinds of changes always start in some sort of localized group or community. While it's wise to not assume that every small movement is going to turn into a large one, it's still worth paying attention to what's going on at the fringes so that you don't get caught with your pants down. As another anecdote, Facebook has died out amongst my peer group, it used to be heavily used for event planning amongst friends…

They did it to themselves. The minute your feed/notifications went so ad-filled and algorithm-driven that you couldn't find events and announcements before they happened... Facebook killed the golden goose.

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Post by baby »

oldstrangers wrote: post #58
frisco wrote: post #25

I increasingly believe that Facebook’s pivot to Meta will end up going down as one of the biggest misses in the history of business. The metaverse is a real idea yes - but strapping a phone to your face and walking through your coffee table isn’t it. Especially not with a mediocre centralized FB owned “virtual world” where they inflict heavy taxes and content moderation. Facebook has neglected its core businesses for…

Facebook was always doomed for failure, just like every social platform that came before it. The pivot should've happened years ago with a focus on Instagram and content creation (their shot at streaming was at least in the right direction). At this point, Facebook has simply waited entirely too long, and the likelihood of any pivot working for a company of their size is basically nonexistent.

I'll add to the pile of speculation of "I know why facebook is failing (when it isn't)". To me it's the fact that it became less and less of a useful tool. It used to be this simple thing where you could connect with your friends or people you would meet (perhaps with the intent of dating them). There was a news feed that was sorted by chronological order, and you would mostly see updates and photos posted by people. Creating an event was easy.

Today, nothing is chronological, profiles are (somewhat) public facing, people just posts links, photos has basically moved to instagram, messaging has moved to whatsapp, and events hasn't changed a bit. Plus there's a ton of other new features that dilute the tool.

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Post by modeless »

cma wrote: post #184
modeless wrote: post #167

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Proprioception cannot be fooled. No matter what you do to your vestibular system it's not going to realistically feel like you're in a fighter jet or a race car. It can't even make walking on an omnidirectional treadmill feel like real walking. Galvanic vestibular stimulation is not really a good idea, independent of the fact that it literally sends high voltage electricity through your skull.

Walking on a VR treadmill is actually the opposite example of what you are claiming I believe. It exercises your proprioception without giving you the right vestibular response (except on huge military 12x12ft treadmills and stuff that can accommodate decent amounts of real acceleration from locomotion, I'm assuming you mean consumer "slipmill" type setups where you fully run in place).

Not really. Your proprioception is accurately sensing the same as your vestibular system, which is that you are moving your limbs but you don't have forward momentum because you're not moving. Which is totally fine and indistinguishable from normal in the steady state of walking in one direction at a constant speed as on a regular treadmill, but the illusion falls apart the second you try to turn or change speed, as you'll want to do on a VR treadmill. And it doesn't matter how big the treadmill is, the problem will occur whenever the treadmill changes direction or speed.

If you apply galvanic vestibular stimulation to try to "correct" at least the vestibular sense, you will lose your balance and fall over, because you can't fool physics. Even if you're prevented from falling by a harness it won't feel right. The disagreement between your vestibular and proprioception senses will be uncomfortable.

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Post by thewebcount »

mhewett wrote: post #296
dbbk wrote: post #257

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> What people want is an escape from reality. I don't think this is even broadly true. We just locked everyone in their houses for the pandemic and people hated it. They want to get out and do stuff and see the world. Not sit on a couch with a screen strapped to their face.

Not everyone. Everyone I know loved it.

Likewise! In fact, it was the first time my disabled spouse was able to get some family to talk to her since now they were in the same situation. It also opened up a bunch of services for disabled people since now everyone needed delivery and not answering the door for packages was no longer weird.

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Post by the_watcher »

romanhn wrote: post #260
atourgates wrote: post #21

"Sitting by Mark’s side for these 14 years has been the honor and privilege of a lifetime. [...] In the critical moments of my life, in the highest highs and in the depths of true lows, I have never had to turn to Mark, because he was already there." If this is an accurate reflection of her experience, I don't expect it's a side of Mark Zuckerberg most of us imagine exists.

Having spent a couple of years at Facebook, I was honestly surprised by how different Zuckerberg is vs the outside perception. Now, I wasn't part of his inner circle or whatever, but in his weekly Q&As he came off very thoughtful, well-rounded, human, at times opinionated, and willing to engage on any topic. He fought to keep the weekly sessions going despite the leaks, something Google gave up on as I understand. Zu…

Completely agree with this, matches my experience as well.

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Post by hownottowrite »

vineyardmike wrote: post #291
lvl102 wrote: post #72

I think Sheryl is going out near the top here. She literally rode this generation of SV wave from the beginning. From a Larry Summers’ protege to one of the most influential executives on the planet. Despite all the negatives associated with Facebook, I think she was the best thing to happen to FB and Mark Zuckerberg.

> She literally rode this generation of SV wave from the beginning. > she was the best thing to happen to FB and Mark Zuckerberg. Or -hear me out- the person most influential in current SV business is not the best thing to happen to a (very young, impressionable) founder trying to grow his business. Pre-Sheryl ads were businesses having fb pages and advertising when your friend bought a product (very social-based). P…

Which version actually worked?

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Post by lovich »

Benjammer wrote: post #269
elorant wrote: post #254

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The difference is that you play with your whole body, not just your fingers. You can duck for cover, or run, or kick and punch someone, or construct an item with your hands. It’s immersive and it could take gaming to a whole other level. This is what AR and games are all about. Not necessarily what Meta wants to build.

I've never been convinced that physical immersion will ever be as compelling to the human brain as mental immersion through good story-telling. Having my real-life body and physical attributes thrust directly into a story/game just seems like the most non-immersive thing possible to me unless the game is entirely designed around moving the body, like DDR or Beat Saber or whatever.

I don’t understand this comment. Isn’t having your real life body put into the story/game like a textbook definition of being more immersive than just engaging with sight and sound?

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Post by the_watcher »

cma wrote: post #142
bspear wrote: post #78

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I'm usually skeptical of corporate BS, but I imagine they did have a strong relationship. 14-year stints are very rare, esp. for people that have plenty of options knocking on the door

I dont know if im interpretting this right, but this seems like she is leaving immediately just a few weeks after it was clear her next vesting tranches of options/equity etc. were heavily devalued or worthless as the impact on them from the privacy stuff was possibly outdone with the broader tech decline?

What I read was that she will be leaving in the fall, but they are immediately starting to transition her team, which is exactly what I'd expect.
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