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Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by lrvick »

d3nj4l wrote: post #293
lrvick wrote: post #289

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Hardly comparable. You can not actually own an Apple laptop. You buy some hardware that can not be used or repaired in any way Apple does not approve of... so it is not really yours.

Evil Apple, they don't approve of running Linux so... oh wait

Good luck with secure boot or disabling the ME on their closed firmware. It gets extra fun when internal modules or the battery get a firmware update that breaks or degrades Linux support again.

I have ported Linux to previous gen macbooks employers insisted I use and it was a mess to maintain.

Also consider your warranty void, so good luck with sanely priced repairs given only Apple can get parts or make repairs in most cases.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by lrvick »

bscphil wrote: post #292
lrvick wrote: post #289

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Hardly comparable. You can not actually own an Apple laptop. You buy some hardware that can not be used or repaired in any way Apple does not approve of... so it is not really yours.

That's completely irrelevant to the question of whether it's a good value for the money.

I consider $6000 good value for a Raptor Engineering Talos II workstation because it is US made and you actually own every part of it down to the firmware and schematics.

Freedom is value.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by wildrhythms »

ccouzens wrote: post #270
davidmurdoch wrote: post #177

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Try it with a multi-monitor set up at different resolutions.

If this doesn't work nicely for you, you're probably running X11 rather than Wayland.

Wayland still doesn't solve this problem because many apps (GTK) become blurry as a result of being scaled poorly, and moving them between displays results in weird behavior where they retain their original scale value rather than adapt to the new display's scale. It's not a good experience.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by lrvick »

Lio wrote: post #294
lrvick wrote: post #289

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Hardly comparable. You can not actually own an Apple laptop. You buy some hardware that can not be used or repaired in any way Apple does not approve of... so it is not really yours.

Apple are not alone in moving towards closer integration. I have a Dell XPS 13 Dev Edition 9370 and tried to replace the Killer brand wifi unit that’s about 80% reliable waking from sleep. Turns out wifi is soldered in on that edition forward. I think the same is true for RAM, although it came with 16Gb, which is the mac its processor supports. Anyone else remember the days of socketed chips that would work themselve…

It also means when something inevitably does go wrong, you throw the entire thing away and get a new one. I do not consider this a reasonable or sustainable approach, particularly when out of warranty.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by rawoke083600 »

xvector wrote: post #220
kaladin-jasnah wrote: post #169

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My Ryzen puts that M1 to shame since it can run any Linux distro with full graphics acceleration natively. An M1 can't even do that yet.

The actual real-world usage experience of M1 laptops far exceeds anything else on the market today.

Does anyone use an Apple m1 and just run a virtualized linux fulltime ?

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by rawoke083600 »

jorvi wrote: post #188
Glyptodon wrote: post #144

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Every 16 GB machine I've used for work in the last three years (until current 32 GB one) I'd occasionally run out of memory. Culprit? Web browsers... On Mac, Linux, and Windows. (Though occasionally other stuff needed significant memory too.)

This only happens if you’re the type to keep 70 tabs (or whatever) open. I run 16GB and have never, ever had a browser cause me to start heavily paging.

Also keep an eye out on all those extensions...

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by Lio »

lrvick wrote: post #304
Lio wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple are not alone in moving towards closer integration. I have a Dell XPS 13 Dev Edition 9370 and tried to replace the Killer brand wifi unit that’s about 80% reliable waking from sleep. Turns out wifi is soldered in on that edition forward. I think the same is true for RAM, although it came with 16Gb, which is the mac its processor supports. Anyone else remember the days of socketed chips that would work themselve…

It also means when something inevitably does go wrong, you throw the entire thing away and get a new one. I do not consider this a reasonable or sustainable approach, particularly when out of warranty.

That’s true but if integration means that it’s very rare for anything to go wrong within the product’s lifetime that may not matter and in fact be a net win.

I’ve never had anything break on a laptop[1] I’ve owned regardless of brand since 2005.

I can’t be that atypical.

1. Apart from maybe the wifi on my XPS13 which I can just about live with by turning wifi on and off.

Re: HP Dev One Laptop with Pop_OS

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Post by flatiron »

mindcrime wrote: post #212
tristor wrote: post #29

I want to like this, but I feel like 32GB of RAM is minimum if I were buying a new laptop. I’ve been heavily eyeing the Framework but I’d prefer AMD. This had AMD but is limited to 16GB of RAM… lots of unnecessary tradeoffs being made here.

I bought a new System 76 machine about this time last year, and splurged (by my standards) on 64GB of RAM. BEST. DECISION. EVAAAR. as far as I'm concerned. For probably the first time in my life, I feel like I can do basically whatever I want and not have to worry about RAM. Have 8 Firefox windows with 200 tabs open, 3 or 4 Eclipse instances, and a few server apps running, and want to launch a bunch of VM's with Vagr…

It took me a week but think about switching to jetbrains. So far I’ve had 0 people regret my pressuring to get off eclipse. My old workplace didn’t blink about the expense and my new job has it as the standard kit. Just a thought even though it is a pain in the tush in the beginning.
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