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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by nicoburns »

reaperducer wrote: post #292
loginatnine wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll copy paste a comment I made here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31096793 but I'm also guessing logistics. They gave a IMO good overview of the difficulties of selling to a new country in a previous post : > With our supply improving, you may be wondering when you can order a laptop if you’re outside of the US and Canada. We selected and are bringing up our worldwide warehousing and fulfillment partner, whi…

A lot of that sounds like legal and paperwork problems. I thought the whole point of the E.U. was to break down those cross-border paint points. Or is it still a work in progress? Can an E.U. person say if this is going to change?

It does help (for example the mentioned CE certification is EU-wide). But it definitely could be better. I'd suggest it's not likely to change significantly any time soon.

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Post by NikolaNovak »

ddoolin wrote: post #271
Goronmon wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I get excited about different laptops occasionally...and then I remember that I won't have a trackpoint if I switch to a different brand, and I get disappointed. Literally happens every few months.

I genuinely had no idea people still used those, or that they were still made with those.

It's one of those things that once you invest into the learning curve, you're a cultish convert (I certainly am one:)

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Post by CameronNemo »

wmf wrote: post #244
jai_ wrote: post #152

Does anyone know if the Framework team plan to offer an ARM based mainboard? I'm honestly not even sure that there are any good ARM based SoCs to make a laptop mainboard from, but given what we've seen from Apple's development of their iPhone chips being integrated into laptop and desktop, I wonder if something similar could be done with other existing ARM CPUs from Samsung or Nvidia?

I doubt they'll offer ARM, but the RK3588 is designed for laptops and not embarrassingly slow (about 3x the performance of an RPi 4).

The mt8192 is faster than the rk3588 and already shipping in Chromebooks. Plenty of activity on the linux-mediatek mailing list to mainline support for the currently shipping Chromebooks.

mt8195 Chromebooks should appear soon too, and they are even faster than the mt8192. Mainlining activity is also occurring for this SoC.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by CameronNemo »

jai_ wrote: post #152

Does anyone know if the Framework team plan to offer an ARM based mainboard? I'm honestly not even sure that there are any good ARM based SoCs to make a laptop mainboard from, but given what we've seen from Apple's development of their iPhone chips being integrated into laptop and desktop, I wonder if something similar could be done with other existing ARM CPUs from Samsung or Nvidia?

Do any ARM SoCs support USB4 (apart from Apple Silicon)? IIRC that is the main reason they cited for not shipping AMD boards.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by nicoburns »

criddell wrote: post #297
vodkapump wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this gets asked a lot and isn't really about this new upgraded model but.. Any news on plans for AMD models?

Why AMD? Why is there so little interest in ARM-based Linux laptops? Does AMD (or Intel) have anything even close in performance / watt that one can get from an ARM-based system?

AMD and Intel both have processors that perform much better than anything ARM-based except Apple's M1 processors (which of course nobody else has access to). That might change once Qualcomm release the new design they are supposedly working on, but that's not available yet.

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Post by akavel »

nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.

Piling on the wishlist: any chances of a fanless mainboard in the future? I'm a sucker for fanless, hard for me to imagine going back...

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Goronmon wrote: post #154
sryie wrote: post #136

I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I am loving it so far. I run Ubuntu 22.04 daily and have not had any issues with battery life or the lid (but I do typically leave it plugged in during lunch and overnight). The expansion cards are brilliant and the keyboard is comparable to my old t-series. The aspect ratio is great for coding and I'm happy to see upgradeabili…

I recently received my first framework laptop after being a loyal Thinkpad user for years. I get excited about different laptops occasionally...and then I remember that I won't have a trackpoint if I switch to a different brand, and I get disappointed. Literally happens every few months.

Won't fix one child-comment on quality, but is there a TP keyboard that would physically fit the hole in the framework. A physical shim would be easy easier; I'm assuming (possibly wrongly) that they connect via an internal USB connection?
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