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I guess I just can’t think of a better way to describe some of the stuff people say about trans people. It’s rooted in a deep hatred that warrants the suffix, IMO. I don’t think “disagreement” adequately describes the severity. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's not how the term is normally expressed though. It's very often used to shut down disagreement or enquiry.

Like for example, if someone asks, "how can this person be a woman if they have a penis?"

These days, they'd get immediately accused of transphobia.

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> We challenge their expectations by asking to be addressed in a way that goes against their ideas of what gender, at its core, means to them. Nope, you're asking for a special treatment in an environment where 99.9% of people don't care how you want to be called. Not because they hate you -- it's because they're not there to fight for your rights. My name has at least 12 different ways to be pronounced in my country…

> Nope, you're asking for a special treatment in an environment where 99.9% of people don't care how you want to be called. Not because they hate you -- it's because they're not there to fight for your rights. You are framing this as "special treatment" precisely because of your ideas of what gender means to you. Honestly, I empathize hard with what you describe as "pissing into the wind." I'm misgendered on a daily…

Sorry that this is long, hope you are in the mood for reading. :)

But I also sympathize with you a lot and want to give you finer details of where I stand.

> are they trying to be rude or is it an honest mistake?

Obviously I can't generalize but I've been around several types of LGBT people a good amount of times in my life (trans included) and yes, almost always it's an honest mistake. Almost all of us are brought up with a rather binary definition of sexes / genders in mind and any rebellion against that is bound to fail... or at least will need decades, if not centuries, to eventually succeed.

What is my central point boils down to: don't take misgendering personally -- unless it's a crowd of killers chasing you down an alley with knives and bats of course, or people who tell you in the face they'll sabotage an effort of yours because of what you are.

These are the villains. These are the people we as a society must push back against. Everyone else are just people that are there to do an activity with you and to them misgendering is a non-issue.

That's not a malicious behavior and it saddens me when I see trans people furiously arguing that it is (not saying that you do; I've met such however, and I've seen them on Twitter as well). People (a) do an honest mistake and (b) people wouldn't care to correct it even if you told them so you might as well just shrug it off most of the time because the reverse would be a huge drain of time and energy (as I think we both agree).

A fact that a good amount of LGBT people I spoke with find strange: people usually don't are about you at all ("you" being any random person out there, not just LGBT). But start arguing for your cause -- especially when nobody actually brought it up -- and people are likely to side against you. Again, not because they hate you, but because they feel an issue is brought into light out of the blue and especially because the arguers usually try very hard to paint everybody else around them as villains.

Unsurprisingly, people don't react well to that. But that's sadly a much bigger issue that goes well beyond LGBT rights; in many public discourses there are the people that will say "if you don't speak up at all about issue X then you are a part of the problem" which is, of course, where any constructive dialogue falls apart with little hope of it getting back on track. :(

> In professional and personal circles, I'm generally more likely to correct people, because I'm signalling a way to be polite to me, and I've been polite to them, and it's how we establish mutual respect, not "special treatment."

Some boundaries need to be put and respected from both sides. If somebody told me "address me as ze/zir" (random Tumblr example) then I will laugh and I will not feel bad about it. To me that's requiring special treatment, bordering to spoiled entitlement even. On the other side of the argument, if you e.g. have physical manly features but prefer a female pronoun -- I can very easily respect that and remember to do it. Those are my boundaries as a fairly regular hetero guy. Please understand that I don't mean to offend; all my responses are only aimed at informing you how the regular folk feels and thinks about LGBT people. Maybe that can help you and make your life better. I hope.

> In the exact same way, for example, you might feel frustrated if someone intentionally decided to use a semi-mocking pronunciation of your name. In both cases, it signals that a person has decided to be cruel to you for petty and unknowable reasons.

Oh, absolutely. I just figured I'll start ignoring it and my demeanor and way of treating these people (usually cold and professional tone, completely ignoring the joke they were trying to make and quickly getting to the matter at hand that I have to discuss with them) put them right back in their place. To me it boiled down to energy expenditure vs. potential reward; I figured the reward is not worth the time and energy so if somebody tries to be disrespectful by using the mocking pronunciations of my name, I just start being laser-focused on whatever I am there to do with that person. I've made friends that way, paradoxically. Later these people told me "I respect a guy who ignores an obvious trolling attempt and puts things back where they should be". We the people can function in such counter-intuitive ways, for the better or worse.

> I guess my big takeaway is that you deserve as much dignity and respect in the way people pronounce your name as I do for my pronouns, and I hope you can find some understanding/empathy in the parallels between our experiences.

I hope you appreciate my being honest -- I completely agree with some understanding and empathy, yes, but as mentioned above, there are boundaries beyond which the common folk will strongly disagree with you and will even start targeting you. Not ideal, I know. :(

I personally wouldn't target anyone (and I never had) but I too have my boundaries about what I'd respect and what I wouldn't.

A constructive dialogue only happens when both sides are well-represented e.g. many people feel that trans people demand too much. However, the same regular folk will not only tolerate but will also ACTIVELY SUPPORT AND DEFEND YOU if they feel you don't go overboard and are just trying to go about your life without stopping anybody else from doing the same.

In conclusion, I sincerely hope that you understand that my main goal is to provide you with the path of the least resistance into wider acceptance by everyone else. Just telling you how a normal hetero guy feels about LGBT rights. Too often this group of people shoots themselves in the foot by making villains out of the regular people that would never attack them in any way. And these same people can be your dear friends and fight for your rights.

In conclusion, I believe the LGBT group really needs to learn how to make friends. My observation from talking to a lot of people is that most folk out there is tolerant and even supportive.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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Phobic has more than 1 meaning. Photophobia and hydrophobia aren't mental illnesses.

Mental illness probably isn't the right word for it, but hydrophobia is indisputably a disease of the brain. The virus travels from the bite wound up your CNS; when it reaches your brain you die in agony.

Mental illness isn't the right word for it. And hydrophobia is a symptom of a brain disease more accurately.

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NPC is a propaganda term.

Perhaps, but it’s not specific to any one ideology or creed. It means someone who simply accepts #CurrentThing with little thought or criticism, of which there are many.

Was that supposed to justify it?

#CurrentThing is another thought terminating cliche.

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> We challenge their expectations by asking to be addressed in a way that goes against their ideas of what gender, at its core, means to them. Nope, you're asking for a special treatment in an environment where 99.9% of people don't care how you want to be called. Not because they hate you -- it's because they're not there to fight for your rights. My name has at least 12 different ways to be pronounced in my country…

The "special treatment" includes: 1. Antidiscrimination policies preventing trans people from being evicted from their home, fired, etc, for being trans. 2. The elimination of policies that prevent or seriously limit access to medical treatment recommended by professional physicians. 3. Basic politeness from peers and colleagues, who should use a trans person's preferred pronouns and name. None of these things are ac…

> The "special treatment" includes:

Sure, I never said a-holes don't exist. Sadly they do. My main point is that most common folk is tolerant (even supportive) but that the LGBT group makes enemies out of the common people by blaming them for their plight. And that they go overboard by demanding unreasonable things: like "call me ze/zir".

Also maybe the fact that having LGBT lessons in school is a tad too much. Most kids are impressionable and these "lessons" might have the exactly opposite effect: turn kids into LGBT people before they even discovered themselves sexually.

These are what makes regular folk people hate LGBT (or only trans in particular).

Statistically however, most people are indifferent and wouldn't care one bit. The sad reality however is that many straight folks and girls feel like the trans people are asking for too much. A broken public debate, which is extremely sad -- I'll immediately agree with that.

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For me that's the only interesting discussion to be had here. Separation into female and male leagues were installed partially because of sex (so that it's fairer), but initially mainly because of gender (women must not do the same fun things we do). Then again, it is 'unfair' that Simone Biles has the physique she has that fits to her chosen sport better than mine; Michael Phelps likewise; Alex Honnold processes fea…

> Separation into female and male leagues were installed partially because of sex (so that it's fairer), but initially mainly because of gender (women must not do the same fun things we do). I don't know all the history of it so I won't make claims about how it started. But what you're saying does not describe the reality of highschool sports as I experienced it. I was a competitive swimmer in highschool; the team wa…

What they said and what you said were the same except their claim about how it started.

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What they mean is they want the selection of content to be done by the people specifically hired and empowered to select content, using the official channels created specifically for this selection process. What they don't want is mobs of workers lower on the totem pole trying to impose their will on management through walkouts/etc.

I broadly agree that some people, mostly on more extreme ends of the political spectrum, are trying to censor views they disagree with in a way that is potentially dangerous for a free society. However, I strongly believe that every employee of a company (and every shareholder) carries a small amount of the moral culpability for their company's actions. To purposefully choose an extreme example, would you be willing…

"every employee of a company (and every shareholder) carries a small amount of the moral culpability for their company's actions"

At the same time, we shouldn't moralize about every disagreement or different perspective. Some things are morally neutral. Like a comedy special that doesn't advocate violence against anyone.

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> Discrimination is a fuzzy word.. No, it's not. > Is-it discrimination to forbid trans-women to participate in the same sports category as bio-women? It is absolutely discrimination to discriminate between cisgender and transgender competitors. Whether it is acceptable discrimination is a value question, whether it is legal or permissible discrimination depends on the relevant law and rule framework, but it is unmis…

So, by this use of this word, it is discrimination to prevent (non trans) male athletes from competing in female sports.

Yes, absolutely. Any time you distinguish treatment between different categories it is discrimination. That's what the word means.

Re: Netflix to Employees: If you don't like our content, you can quit

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I cancelled my Netflix account after the whole Cuties debacle. While visiting my friends I have noticed that Netflix content quality has been dropping sharply the last few years. Let's hope this exodus of customers and content creators will create a new, more interesting industry for the future.

Funny - I find Netflix content keeps getting better. Dark, Ozark, Unorthodox, Russian Doll, Sense8, Love Sex & Robots, The OA. Not as good as HBO - but honestly it seems close. If anything - HBO's content seems to be on the decline more than Netflix. It's still top notch, but it used to be outstanding. Netflix is really mastering the wide appeal & good enough content: 13 Reasons Why, Elite, Bridgerton, Bird Box, etc.…

Feels like (IME) there's a rather high incidence of discontent over decisions "from above" among the shows listed: The OA being cancelled, 13 Reasons having three seasons too many, speculation(?) that Dark's wonky pacing at the end was due to being approved for too limiting a number of episodes...

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> if you’re not trans you may not understand transphobia very well but it’s similar to white people saying they don’t think something is racist This is just a terrible, terrible argument, that leads to a continual ratcheting up and broadening of the definition of "transphobia". Transphobia should mean only "fear or hatred of trans people". What it comes to mean, however: questioning self-identification, questioning t…

> > if you’re not trans you may not understand transphobia very well but it’s similar to white people saying they don’t think something is racist

> This is just a terrible, terrible argument, that leads to a continual ratcheting up and broadening of the definition of "transphobia".

I don’t follow. While people not understanding racism is a very real phenomenon caused by the fact that white people in the USA are the dominant group and considered “raceless” and the “default” while non white people get all kinds of subtle discrimination regularly. It makes sense that non white people would be better judges of racism than many white people. Why would this not also make sense for trans people?

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