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Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Post by b65e8bee43c2ed0 »

jstummbillig wrote: post #41

The HN attitude on anything touching privacy with a ten foot pole is awkward at best. It's clearly a hard problem and increasingly so. Being dogmatic about privacy regulations without a solution for the abuse caused by those who are open to abusing others seems a little too internet-hippie to be taken seriously in 2022, and that's a little concerning when it's the echo chambers of those best qualified and responsible…

>It's clearly a hard problem and increasingly so

right, surely this is just a coincidence that it has become "an increasingly hard problem" now, at the time of civil unrest against increasingly authoritarian attitude of the ruling class

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Post by nix23 »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #258
Amezarak wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In English and particularly American English, “the government” is understood to encompass the justice system as well as Congress/parliament. People are taking about justice system abuses, not just some MP abusing his power. Law enforcement and courts control the country just as much as the parliament. This isn’t some feature of American government either: in the US local law enforcement is often completely divorced f…

> In English and particularly American English, “the government” is understood to encompass the justice system as well as Congress/parliament That's only because in USA the justice system depend on the elected president and elected representatives of the State. But that's not true in Europe. Law enforcement forces and justice system employees only have to obey to the laws, not to the politicians in power. They can't…

>Law enforcement forces and justice system employees only have to obey to the laws, not to the politicians in power.

Frontex want's to have a word with you.....

And the Italian coastguard let people drown because it's law?....or maybe because it's a political thing? You cant separate the government and justice system completely.

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Post by tluyben2 »

Macha wrote: post #285
tluyben2 wrote: post #282

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Was there so much crying about the UK ones or was everyone obsessed with covid? During covid the uk spent a lot on similar (and I think worse) tech? Maybe the uk will license it?

The biggest outcry over the UK one was people's need to contact their ISP to be added to a list to access legal porn, which may have overshadowed the rest of the points. This was a while before covid and has largely moved to just being accepted to my understanding.

During covid there were these ‘contests’ [0]. And there was more (will try to find).

[0] https://techcrunch.com/2021/11/18/uk-names-five-projects-its...

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Post by wsc981 »

lapcat wrote: post #222
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #144

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> Your government who wants to control you How exactly? In Italy we had 67 different governments since 1946. What can they do with CSAM data? Government can't blackmail citizen, they can't use CSAM scans for other purposes, they can't even authorize a scan, because that's the justice system prerogative. Do you really believe that in Europe governments are in control of everything like it happens in Russia or in North…

> What can they do with CSAM data? > Government can't blackmail citizen, they can't use CSAM scans for other purposes, they can't even authorize a scan, because that's the justice system prerogative. In the United States, legal blackmail is called a "plea bargain". You agree to admit you're guilty of a crime, even if you aren't, in return for the government not pursuing harsher charges against you. This occurs withou…

One way to prevent getting yourself into too much trouble might be to never talk to cops (without a lawyer): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #269
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #235

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> Why not? Because they can't, the moment they do, they'll be roasted for doing it. Those who tried, failed miserably. Justice system here is not run by governments, it's a completely separated power. > Wait you think Russia is in control of it's citizen? Oh man, western propaganda seams to work even better then the russian counterpart. They control everything in the control rooms, which is not even the case oin EU d…

I think the EU wants to go through easy to rummage through stuff like email, texts, instant messenger (all easy to go through if unencrypted). I think that's what their warning shot is. Eventually they would like to put spyware in every app/phone and keep tabs on what you're doing. It's the same in America as well. Politician and the police state have no shame when it comes to wanting to take away your privacy "to th…

Seriously, if you start with "I think EU is turning into Sauron",you then can imply everything, you'll be mostly wrong though.

> I think that's what their warning shot is

These arguments have been in discussion for at least a decade.

Why do you think they want to read your email?

What purpose could it serve?

Do you really think France will accept to put the email of their citizens out in the clear if Germany refuses? (nations can still delay the implementation of regulations, technically forever)

> There is a reason we have search warrants

They are still required.

CSAM is only what Apple already does (and that's another reason why I don't buy Apple products).

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Post by an9n »

kmlx wrote: post #256
crmd wrote: post #197

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Quoting Adam Curtis from The Power of Nighmares: > In the past, politicians promised to create a better world. They had different ways of achieving this, but their power and authority came from the optimistic visions they offered their people. Those dreams failed and today people have lost faith in ideologies. Increasingly, politicians are seen simply as managers of public life, but now they have discovered a new rol…

> They had a great 20 year run on the terrorism narrative, but they need a new nightmare, and they’ve apparently settled on child predators. just a second, we've got the new Russia - Ukraine nightmare.

'next pandemic'...

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

nix23 wrote: post #283
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #235

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> Why not? Because they can't, the moment they do, they'll be roasted for doing it. Those who tried, failed miserably. Justice system here is not run by governments, it's a completely separated power. > Wait you think Russia is in control of it's citizen? Oh man, western propaganda seams to work even better then the russian counterpart. They control everything in the control rooms, which is not even the case oin EU d…

>Those who tried, failed miserably. Ah you think the government sends an official person and start to blackmailing you? >Justice system here is not run by governments, it's a completely separated power. Oh c'mon, it's pretty naive to think like that. >They control everything in the control rooms, which is not even the case oin EU democracies. Ah yes the russian control room's who had not heard of that. >which is not…

> Ah you think the government sends an official person and start to blackmailing you?

You mean governments are run by criminals that break the law?

If being blackmailed over alleged pedo pornography in that case is what concerns you the most, I think you have a pretty simplistic view of what's happening in the real World right now...

> I really cant believe that you think the EU is so much better.

I really can't believe you don't see it!

> But i see, the propaganda to implement that we are the good one's worked pretty well for you.

I don't really think you are making any sense.

You just posted propaganda links of a commercial email service and of European pirate party which is the most biased source of information about digital rights in Europe, they are so small (only 4 seats in the parliament, 3 from Czech Republic, one from Germany, zero from any other EU country) and and in need of funds that are constantly screaming "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE" and have been for more than a decade now, for no reason.

I consider myself much more on the left side of things than the pirate party and have been participating on discussions about digital freedoms as a tech consultant for the EU commission, the pirate brought virtually nothing to the table.

But it's working for them, their MP salaries are still flowing in their pockets anyway.

Ask them why their HQ is in Luxembourg City (one of the richest cities in the World) and not in some more piratesque place...

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Post by wsc981 »

pc86 wrote: post #176
vanderZwan wrote: post #136

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It probably helps that we were complaining about and even making fun of[0] our government for using child pornography as an excuse for pushing through draconian populist laws a decade ago already. We may just happen to have a little head-start here basically. Edit: for the non-Dutch, the link goes to an article by the Dutch equivalent of The Onion and the headline says "Opstelten [our minister of Security and Justice…

The Netherlands seems great as an outsider. I've been to Amsterdam, which was too touristy for me, but still beautiful. And we took a train to Utrecht and the surrounding areas which was great. Even struck up a conversation with a group of (local) software developers on the train. Even with the lockdown protest issues it seems like it should be on the shortlist if you want to move to the EU as an American.

The Netherlands government has quite deep ties with the WEF, so expect The Netherlands to be at the forefront of pushing the WEF agenda. You can decide for yourself if that’s a good thing, but I’ve made my choice and am happy not living there anymore.

But I should add I left a couple of years before I even heard of the WEF. Me leaving The Netherlands was for other reasons.

Re: EU Commission is planning automatic CSAM scanning of private communications

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Post by [deleted] »

pc86 wrote: post #199
stef25 wrote: post #58

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You're probably not the first person to ask the question of "but what about parents taking pictures of their naked kids in a pool", I'm sure they plan on having some way of dealing with it if anything to lighten their workload. That doesn't mean it will be perfect but no matter how jaded we all are, nobody wants to start falsely accusing innocent people.

> nobody wants to start falsely accusing innocent people I mean this is just blatantly false. History has shown us this is false. Even if you think the current government is fully comprised of kind-hearted, magnanimous, good people, what makes you think that will be the case for the next 10, 50, 100 years? A story - I have a google alert set up for my name. Someone in a different state with the same name was recently…

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