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Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Re: Vimeo: “We are a B2B solution, not the indie version of YouTube.”

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Post by rascul »

throwaway81523 wrote: post #285
hannasanarion wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From her patreon. She has 5600 patrons and her only subscription option is $5/mo. Her videos have only 4-digit views, but they are all multiple hours long Vimeo is asking for around $7/hour of video/year.

"Less than 1000" is 3 digits rather than 4. What does the $7/hour mean? If it's $7/hour of viewing time, that is completely nuts. How many videos are there? If there is 1 video/week at 2 hours each and 1000 views each (this sounds like an overestimate), that's ~ 100k viewing hours, or 30 cents per hour, which seems like a lot, and it is a lower bound. At 1 mbit/second (this will vary but figure lots of mobile device…

> is there really even such a thing as B2B video on any scale?

All I can come up with are training videos.

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Post by agentofoblivion »

hannasanarion wrote: post #260
nacs wrote: post #258

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Hvae you heard of Youtube? They'll even pay for the videos instead.

Youtube is ad-supported. You can't upload videos more than 15 minutes long without letting Youtube put preroll and mid-roll ads all over them, and the only access-control method it supports is "unlisted", where anybody with the URL can see it. Creators don't want to force their paying Patreon supporters to watch ads for content that they paid for, and that can be leaked to the whole world if somebody merely ctrl-vs a…

I have many videos on YouTube, several over an hour long, and have only monetized one video with ads as an experiment. What do you mean you can’t upload videos without ads being put on them?

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Post by MrRadar »

agentofoblivion wrote: post #302
hannasanarion wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube is ad-supported. You can't upload videos more than 15 minutes long without letting Youtube put preroll and mid-roll ads all over them, and the only access-control method it supports is "unlisted", where anybody with the URL can see it. Creators don't want to force their paying Patreon supporters to watch ads for content that they paid for, and that can be leaked to the whole world if somebody merely ctrl-vs a…

I have many videos on YouTube, several over an hour long, and have only monetized one video with ads as an experiment. What do you mean you can’t upload videos without ads being put on them?

Since 2020, Youtube can put ads on all videos, even those that are not "monetized" by the uploader (in which case Youtube just keeps the revenue for itself). https://www.searchenginejournal.com/youtube-is-showing-ads-o...

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Post by ryanmcbride »

bobitsaboy wrote: post #70
lelandfe wrote: post #51

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The scenario with Channel 5 was even more silly, since Vimeo was just a service that Patreon was using. This not only looked like a shakedown, it was from a hosting platform the group wasn't even directly using. https://www.patreon.com/posts/vimeo-is-holding-61514364

Interesting. There's one Patreon I subscribe to that used Vimeo. I didn't realize it was what Patreon apparently exclusively used? This sounds like a BIG problem for Patreon, then. This may be a much bigger issue than I thought...

Patreon video has 2 solutions, Vimeo, and URL. If you use vimeo you can upload videos to vimeo right through the patreon page (though that stopped working for me some while ago so I started just using vimeo directly). For the URL it doesn't want like, a link to a video file. That will result in the patreon page just having a download link. But if you provide it with basically the same thing vimeo does (a whole ass player through the page's meta information) it can embed the video just fine, same as Vimeo.

I had planned to switch off Vimeo anyway because of the weekly upload limit being so low for my tier (I could tier up but my patreon income is like, 7 dollars so it wouldn't really be worth it). And this is pretty much the motivation I need. It's something I had already messed around with, for the purposes of embedding a custom HLS livestream. And since the only real security Vimeo offers is an unlisted URL and a domain whitelist, my plan was to require actual Patreon Oauth to watch the videos.

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Post by Jensson »

bobitsaboy wrote: post #83
vbezhenar wrote: post #64

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Just to compare to Cloudflare Stream which I consider a honest paid platform: Streaming is $1 per 1000 minutes delivered Storage is $5 per 1000 minutes store per month. 117 videos with 2 hours each and with 150 views each: 117 * 2 * 60 = 14040 minutes stored or $14/month for storage which is $168/year. 117 * 2 * 60 * 150 = 2106000 minutes delivered or $2106. So $3500/year does not seem outrageous.

You do realize that's ~60% of what they attempted to shake them down for, right? An existing customer? With no reasonable notice?

You get it wrong, she consumed $2106 worth of service and has paid $200 so far, that is a fantastic deal for her. Vimeo then says that next year since she consumed so much she will have to pay $3100. Vimeo here takes the risk that she gets more popular and therefore will cost them even more, they have to take a premium cut to cover for that risk.

A regular hosting provider would just send her the $2106 bill, but she went to Vimeo to avoid surprise bills. But instead she has to deal with price hikes like this, note that it isn't a bill, she can just not pay for it and cancel the service, that is the product she paid for.

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Post by Jensson »

chockchocschoir wrote: post #205
technobabbler wrote: post #200

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Where can you get a gigabit host that serves many TB a month for $100? Not being sarcastic, genuinely interested in such a service.

Easy, search for "unmetered dedicated server", bunch of offers all over the place. Many hosters also have "server auctions" where you can rent second-hand servers that are already setup but the one who initially ordered it stopped using it, those are also cheap.

Those are only unmetered at small scale, if you start to use a lot of their bandwidth they will start charging you for it. Of course a single instance wont be enough to offset all the other users who don't use their bandwidth so it wont be an issue for them, but lets say you buy a thousand instances and use all bandwidth possible, then they will change the terms very quickly.

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Post by ugjka »

iamevn wrote: post #265
ugjka wrote: post #186

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You can't compare Hetzner boxes with CDNs. Imagine someone trying to stream a 4K video from your Hetzner box in Finland to Australia. Not the same as directly from local CDN node

How so? What's a few hundred extra milleseconds for packets to transfer when you're streaming video with many seconds of buffer time?

That is a very idealistic view of networking

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Post by plorkyeran »

ev1 wrote: post #300
plorkyeran wrote: post #282

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> the only access-control method it supports is "unlisted", where anybody with the URL can see it. Google Workspace supports videos which are private to an organization, but it's annoying to use (you have to switch your active account to the Workspace one) and much, much more expensive than Vimeo's new pricing scheme if you used it just for private videos.

In the use case of this context, where the business (patreon creator) publishes a video, none of the viewers will be in a Workspace organisation, unfortunately.

They could invite every patron to a Workspace org. It'd just be a terrible (and expensive) way to do it.

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Post by supermatt »

2TB egress a month (the quotes figure to be in top 1%) on AWS is ~$200/m. For a full solution charging $300 a month doesn’t seem unreasonable.

These ad-supported giants skew peoples idea of cost. They make it harder for others to compete - generating outrage when people compare the relative price to “free”.

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Post by pictur »

hirako2000 wrote: post #271
pictur wrote: post #99

a better alternative to vimeo is pretty easy to create. It's weird that they take themselves so seriously.

Please go ahead. A cousin comment says the economic is against you, and I heartedly agree with that.

my comment has nothing to do with economy. vimeo hasn't been doing anything good for years to gather users. it's just weird that they describe themselves as a movie site just because someone is uploading their amateur movies.
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