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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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hnarn wrote: post #248
Ourgon wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An updated version of that section in the form of a booklet was distributed to every household a few years ago, the advice is mostly the same. Stay Alert! Trust no one! Keep your laser handy! (OK, that last one came from somewhere else).

“Trust no one” is not what the newer or the older version of the pamphlet suggests, rather it quite correctly points out that during wartime the amount of misinformation can be expected to be massive, so you should be extra vigilant in verifying the source of the information. Trusting “no one” would imply a complete free-for-all which is hardly conducive to an effective defensive strategy.

> Trusting “no one” would imply a complete free-for-all which is hardly conducive to an effective defensive strategy.

Which is exactly why RT and its American (and other) repeaters are so insiduous.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by CRConrad »

najra wrote: post #247
gureddio wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the promise is there... but when I come across a deepfake right now, they often don't seem convincing to me. This one included

could be that you don't realise the convincing ones are deepfakes, and you only spot the bad ones?

The ones we can spot aren't really "deep", they're just fakes.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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yznovyak wrote: post #200
zelphirkalt wrote: post #111

The idea could also be to first post something obviously fake, in order to make everyone think, that their deep fake video tech is not addvanced enough to create really good fakes. Later they post something, where they put in maximum effort to make it seem real, having people think back to the previous fake and think: "Oh but this looks real and they are not able to produce better deep fakes than that other video."

We (Ukrainians) have been warned about upcoming deep-fakes, disinformation, ... since pretty much day 1.

But the Russians haven't.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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notahacker wrote: post #235
stingraycharles wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The ironic thing is many of the rank-and-file of those people think that distrust gives them greater access to the truth, when in reality it just makes them easier to lie to. Care to elaborate? Intuitively what you're saying sounds plausible, but not why that would be the case.

(i) "this is the sort if story that, if true, would be widely reported by mainstream media or at least mainstream media of a certain political persuasion" is a pretty good heuristic for discarding stuff that sounds plausible and really big but is only reported on the comment section of AltFreeIndyInfo.net (ii) if you can't believe mainstream media, it's hard to search for information that might contradict $radicalthe…

> AltFreeIndyInfo.net

> Network Error: dns_unresolved_hostname

The globalist elites have had it taken down!

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by CRConrad »

paganel wrote: post #114
adamors wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you don’t know but here in Romania we have our fair share of streets named after anti-semites and-or iron guard collaborators. But you’d probably protest if someone called you an anti-semite for this alone.

I'm Romanian and we don't have streets named after Antonescu, which is what Bandera was for the Ukranians in WW2. It is illegal to have streets named after Antonescu, because he killed hundreds of thousands of Jewish people in WW2, apparently in Ukraine is still legal to have a street named after Bandera, who collaborated in the killings of Jewish people in Nazi-occupied Ukraine.

> I'm Romanian and we don't have streets named after Antonescu

In your town?

> It is illegal to have streets named after Antonescu

Hm, really? Then again -- and sorry if this comes as a shock to you -- Romania isn't all that well-known (at least in the northern half of the EU) for living up to the law.

From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30700460 :

> So, let's carpet bomb all those Strada Ion Antonescu it took me all 15 seconds to find across Romania. After all, you are saying it's illegal to name a street like that, so let's de-nazify them. Right?

My own search for "Strada Ion Antonescu" on Google Maps popped up seven results across Romania, but that was zoomed out from Lviv to Thessaloniki to see the whole country. Don't know if there'd be more if I zoomed in.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by CRConrad »

RobertMiller wrote: post #129
MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have no proof you are not a Nazi either. Let's assume you are, just to be safe. And maybe we can write a few blogs about it and drum up a following?

I do not believe Zelensky is a Nazi. The evidence against it is much stronger than the evidence for it. Your ire against me is misdirected.

> Your ire against me is misdirected.

Insofar as it was ire against your implication that "there is no proof against it" would somehow validate the insinuation, it wasn't.

And, sorry, even if you claim that that wasn't what you meant to do, the mere mention of it does imply that. We don't (AFAIK) have absolute proof that the Moon isn't (mainly) made of green cheese, either (those moon rocks the astronauts brought back could just be part of a thin rock crust over the cheese[1]), but what does it imply if I throw out the claim "We don't have proof that the Moon isn't made of green cheese!" in a general discussion about cosmology?

___

[1]: Aha, so "Moon Pie" should be a cheese pie!

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by CRConrad »

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #25
replwoacause wrote: post #6

I wonder who is viewing that thinking it's real? It's obviously fake and a bad fake at that.

Put this deepfake through a couple levels of email forwards, GIFs with burned in captions and lots of dodgy media spots of "Did Zelensky actually say this or didn't he? Some people are saying he did." and it's going to be taken for ground truth. There's a subreddit called "AteTheOnion" which chronicles people mistaking wildly obviously fake and humorous articles from The Onion and other sites. If people aren't able t…

> Some people are saying

ISWYDT.

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