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Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by usrbinbash »

can16358p wrote: post #300
usrbinbash wrote: post #299

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But none of that requires a Blorkchain to do. Just because Blorkchains can solve a given problem, doesn't mean it's the best, or only solution. One could design a notetaking app using remote controlled combine-harvesters that mow the notes into prepared fields of wheat serving as storage media, and camera drones to read the information back. Doesn't mean it makes sense to do so.

I agree with overengineering part where people try to blockchain-ize everything for the sake of doing it (and raising money). On the other hand, I still believe my example about freedom is still a perfect use case of it and I don't know other ways of doing it.

> I still believe my example about freedom is still a perfect use case of it

How exactly does the blorkchain or "web3" achive that? There still needs to be a host for the webapps through which it's accessed. There still need to be DNS entries. The people acessing it are still doing so via ISPs. All these are gatekeepers, which an authoritarian regime has control over.

Gatekeepers don't go away just because the service decides to use a distributed ledger.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by PretzelPirate »

goosedragons wrote: post #203
PretzelPirate wrote: post #183

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If those are on Magic the Gathering Online, do you really own them? What happens when that shuts down in favor of Magic Arena?

What would happen if WotC ran a Magic Online NFT edition and shut it down? Do you think they'd let a third party use their IP? Would Magic cards you can't play with or view the art of and are just urls pointing to a dead server have real value? Have you read the list of restrictions Ubisoft has for their NFTs? Do people really own those?

Magic card art has very little value. The value is in the interactions between different cards.

Even today, there are 3rd party websites that let you play Magic online with other people, but you get to play with any cards you want which removes a certain aspect of the meta game.

As long as I owned the NFT on a decentralized blockchain, any 3rd party could verify my ownership and let me use those cards.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by PretzelPirate »

jiggawatts wrote: post #188
PretzelPirate wrote: post #183

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If those are on Magic the Gathering Online, do you really own them? What happens when that shuts down in favor of Magic Arena?

The same thing that happens if you have an NFT that's just a URL. If the URL target goes down, the NFT is broken.

NFTs != images. Art NFTs are one implementation of NFTs (and not one I’m a fan of).

A token representing a Magic card doesn’t need any association with the art on that card, it just needs to exist so anyone can verify that I purchased that card (and therefore the ability to use its mechanics) from WoTC. A 3rd party game that allows me to play Magic can verify the NFT card ownership and can use it’s own art or no art at all, just like they do today.

The only difference is that today’s 3rd party Magic sites don’t have verified ownership of cards so everyone uses the most expensive cards.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by PretzelPirate »

ryanbrunner wrote: post #208
PretzelPirate wrote: post #183

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If those are on Magic the Gathering Online, do you really own them? What happens when that shuts down in favor of Magic Arena?

Either way, you're trusting the owners of Magic the Gathering Online. With a purchase from them they're actually holding the records, but even with a NFT there's nothing stopping them from no longer supporting or honouring those NFTs, or not honouring them if they've been transferred or sold or whatever.

I’m not trusting them. If they choose to ban a card, that’s fine since it’s an accepted part of the meta game, but there have been 3rd party services for playing Magic online with people for years. Those third party sites suffer from not having verified card ownership and NFTs would enable that.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by can16358p »

usrbinbash wrote: post #301
can16358p wrote: post #300

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I agree with overengineering part where people try to blockchain-ize everything for the sake of doing it (and raising money). On the other hand, I still believe my example about freedom is still a perfect use case of it and I don't know other ways of doing it.

> I still believe my example about freedom is still a perfect use case of it How exactly does the blorkchain or "web3" achive that? There still needs to be a host for the webapps through which it's accessed. There still need to be DNS entries. The people acessing it are still doing so via ISPs. All these are gatekeepers, which an authoritarian regime has control over. Gatekeepers don't go away just because the servic…

While in theory authorities could control everything obviously, if there are more real world apps that majority of the world starts using on those platforms, and more layers of protection something comparable to Tor, it will be inconvenient for state actors to block it all and they'll need to give up at some point or otherwise if they try to control they either lag behind by blocking it all or need to consume enormous resources to track people.

Oh BTW if you want people to take your comments more seriously you can stop deliberately misspelling names of technologies.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by bnnahabhzn »

Netcob wrote: post #65
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #54

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Not only that but they're unaware that "Web 3.0" was the semantic web, envisioned by Tim Berners-Lee over a decade ago. The blockchain web is "web3", named after the library in Ethereum. Web 3.0 and web3 are very different ideas.

I'm looking forward to reading this exact text a million times.

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Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by bnnahabhzn »

Netcob wrote: post #65
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #54

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Not only that but they're unaware that "Web 3.0" was the semantic web, envisioned by Tim Berners-Lee over a decade ago. The blockchain web is "web3", named after the library in Ethereum. Web 3.0 and web3 are very different ideas.

I'm looking forward to reading this exact text a million times.

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Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by bnnahabhzn »

Netcob wrote: post #65
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only that but they're unaware that "Web 3.0" was the semantic web, envisioned by Tim Berners-Lee over a decade ago. The blockchain web is "web3", named after the library in Ethereum. Web 3.0 and web3 are very different ideas.

I'm looking forward to reading this exact text a million times.

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Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by bnnahabhzn »

Netcob wrote: post #65
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only that but they're unaware that "Web 3.0" was the semantic web, envisioned by Tim Berners-Lee over a decade ago. The blockchain web is "web3", named after the library in Ethereum. Web 3.0 and web3 are very different ideas.

I'm looking forward to reading this exact text a million times.

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