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DisplayPort 1.2 (or newer) and HDMI 2.1 both support 5K at 120Hz when using DSC.

What’s DSC?

I didn't know either. DSC is Display Stream Compression, and has been part of the spec since 1.4. According to Wikipedia [0],

> DSC is a compression algorithm that reduces the size of the data stream by up to a 3:1 ratio.... Using DSC with HBR3 transmission rates, DisplayPort 1.4 can support 8K UHD (7680 × 4320) at 60 Hz or 4K UHD (3840 × 2160) at 120 Hz

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#1.4

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Apple have always been the first to push higher resolution devices for as long as I've been alive. Laptops in the early 2010's were stuck on 1336x768 until Apple kicked up a fuss about having "retina", same with phones which had comically low resolutions until Apple made a fuss about it with the iPhone 4. Sadly my eyes aren't as good as they used to be so I can't make a lot of use of the extra real-estate, but it alw…

Dell's 6 year old 8k UP3218 has entered the chat

That sucker costs $3770, just as a data point.

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The technology to do 5K @ 120hz just doesn't exist yet. 5K @ 60Hz is already maxing out Thunderbolt 4.

DisplayPort 1.2 (or newer) and HDMI 2.1 both support 5K at 120Hz when using DSC.

DisplayPort 1.2 cannot even do 5k at 60Hz at 10 bits per channel. You might be thinking about DisplayPort 2.0, which is not yet widely supported in video cards or monitors, and even then it needs the (essentially non-existent) UHBR 20 data rate to get to 120Hz.

HDMI 2.1 does support 5K@120Hz@10bpc but requires DSC as you say, which is not very commonly found either.

(Note that unlike what a sibling comment states, DSC is lossy. Some argue that the less is not noticeable to the human eye, but not everyone agrees)

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For me, its frustrating to not see an option without all the webcam, microphone, octuple speaker array, A13, 100w charging, TB hub, madness. I have to imagine that adds significant cost, and at $1600 we're not in the territory where this stuff can be included just 'cause. I like it, but I imagine some professionals would like to do what Apple's marketing images all show; buy two, maybe even three. I'd love to have on…

Apple is not interested in releasing a cheap dumb commodity PC-compatible monitor and never will be. It just doesn't make sense for them. For a lot of reasons.

Other companies can handle that market.

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Awesome to see them finally putting out almost consumer friendly pricing displays. Few things I'm disappointed about though: - 60hz. For this price point I'd expect higher. - Thunderbolt 3. Interesting that they didn't bump to 4, given the Mac Studio is Thunderbolt 4. This means you wont be able to daisy chain the displays. - Lack of size options. Would love to see more variety here. After moving to an ultrawide form…

1800€ is consumer friendly for a 27"? I would pay that for a 34" not a 27.

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You’d say if they can drive 3 displays at 60hz they should be able to drive one at 120hz

Maybe, but I don't see anyone going the way of dual-link ports ever again. It was clumsy enough the first time.

Displays using MST to achieve higher resolutions than a single link allowed worked out more or less fine. The problem there is MacOS doesn't support MST.

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It's not hard to beat the notoriously bad build quality and reliability of the LG UltraFine and Apple has a track record of building solid displays (I have an LED Cinema Display that's going on 13 years old with nary a single issue).

I think your experience has been a constant of most Apple products for the last 22 years or so. Some people have no issues ever, some people have constant issues all the time. That said, I loved the Cinema displays and they did have a good track record, but if memory serves, the Thunderbolt Display variant was notoriously flaky [0]. Since they've put out so few external displays, it does stain their reputation a bit.…

I'm not sure the Thunderbolt Display is a useful anecdote, here. It's from 11 years ago.

Re: Apple announces 27-inch 5K Studio Display

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Awesome to see them finally putting out almost consumer friendly pricing displays. Few things I'm disappointed about though: - 60hz. For this price point I'd expect higher. - Thunderbolt 3. Interesting that they didn't bump to 4, given the Mac Studio is Thunderbolt 4. This means you wont be able to daisy chain the displays. - Lack of size options. Would love to see more variety here. After moving to an ultrawide form…

The technology to do 5K @ 120hz just doesn't exist yet. 5K @ 60Hz is already maxing out Thunderbolt 4.

And yet somehow the technology to do 8k @ 120hz does exist... ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDUnSsx62j8 )
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