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Soybean oil affects hypothalamus, causes genetic changes in mice: study (2020)

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Post by trts »

malloryerik wrote: post #291
trts wrote: post #282

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yes, they are difficult to cut out. Your options are everywhere very much narrowed. But In 90% of cases I've been able to find a satisfactory alternative. It is interesting how two simple rules (no seed oil, no corn syrup) almost entirely prevent you from putting terrible things in your body. It also repeatedly enforces a more mindful attitude towards diet. I experimented with removing seed oils for the past six mont…

No corn syrup or seed oil sounds like a wise choice. What do you do about eating at restaurants? Just avoid dishes that are likely offenders? And soybeans themselves, as well as unfermented tofu, is OK?

Whole foods, steamed or grilled vegetables, legumes, butter or olive oil, fish, eggs, or other protein that isn't fried. Fewer ingredients are generally better. Ingredients that have ingredients are worse.

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Post by paavoova »

cityofdelusion wrote: post #202
09bjb wrote: post #62

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It's more nuanced than that but you could do a lot worse than that list. Fat profile matters, and smoke point matters, e.g. olive oil is great but if you're frying stuff with it you're turning a lot of it toxic; avocado oil is better for high heat.

There is no scientific evidence that olive oil breaks down into toxic components. https://actascientific.com/ASNH/pdf/ASNH-02-0083.pdf

That's not quite what's shown in that PDF...All oils tested showed signs of instability when heated, but EVOO was the most stable. But EVOO still had an increase in trans-fats, for example, when heated. Furthermore, in the conclusion, they note

note that the experiments were carried out without food being cooked. While cooking, the water and steam which comes from the food being cooked aids the process of hydrolysis. The absence of food in these trials may have allowed for a greater impact of oil oxi- dation when compared with other deterioration reactions

They didn't test the affects of water and food contact on stability and note the potential significance of hydrolysis.

But just going by that, I'd avoid all refined oils and heating/frying.

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Post by gruez »

nebula8804 wrote: post #298
voldacar wrote: post #273

It's nice to see the anti seed oil discourse ramping up lately, but I'm sort of pessimistic about this. Like what is the endgame, exactly? Seed oils are in basically everything. Trying to avoid them is like trying to avoid endocrine disruptors by not touching plastic or eating anything that has touched plastic. It's sort of an absurd thing to even attempt, it would drive you insane.

>Trying to avoid them is like trying to avoid endocrine disruptors by not touching plastic or eating anything that has touched plastic. Is there any evidence that something transfers to you if you do touch it? This is the first I am hearing about something like this. I thought plastic was essentially a solid. I have been interested in converting much of my daily interaction of plastic to other materials. Things like…

>Is there any evidence that something transfers to you if you do touch it? This is the first I am haring about something like this. I thought plastic was essentially a solid.

I recall a few years ago there were a few articles/studies saying that that BPA were in thermal paper (ie. receipt paper). I think the conclusion was that if you were picking up a few receipts per day, the amount was negligible, but if you worked in retail it might be a hazard.

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Post by gruez »

mpalczewski wrote: post #244
Salgat wrote: post #221

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To note, even eggs and lard have large amounts of Linoleic acid, and I'm pretty sure lard and eggs have existed in the human diet for as long as chickens and pigs as livestock have existed.

I somewhat agree that the fear of linloeic acid doesn't always match facts. I do tend to avoid seed oils as they are relatively new and their health effects are rather suspect. However, in this case, the eggs and lard that existed in the human diet for a long time, are not the same. The chickens and pigs are eating a different diet and this does effect the composition of the fatty acids present in the flesh/eggs.

>I do tend to avoid seed oils as they are relatively new

compared to what? various foods contain oil (eg. peanuts, cashews, soybeans, sunflower seeds). Are they different, or "suspect" as well?

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Post by pirate787 »

gruez wrote: post #303
nebula8804 wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Trying to avoid them is like trying to avoid endocrine disruptors by not touching plastic or eating anything that has touched plastic. Is there any evidence that something transfers to you if you do touch it? This is the first I am hearing about something like this. I thought plastic was essentially a solid. I have been interested in converting much of my daily interaction of plastic to other materials. Things like…

>Is there any evidence that something transfers to you if you do touch it? This is the first I am haring about something like this. I thought plastic was essentially a solid. I recall a few years ago there were a few articles/studies saying that that BPA were in thermal paper (ie. receipt paper). I think the conclusion was that if you were picking up a few receipts per day, the amount was negligible, but if you worke…

Also if you crumple a receipt and don't wash your hands, and touch food, its a hazard

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Post by champagnois »

I remember writing soy is basically poison and definitely not a health food here on HN not long ago. People would be smart to wise up to this sooner rather than later. It is still an extremely unpopular stance because many are lead to believe that this dirt cheap source of protein is "okay".

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Post by jlcoff »

loudtieblahblah wrote: post #270
Salgat wrote: post #221

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To note, even eggs and lard have large amounts of Linoleic acid, and I'm pretty sure lard and eggs have existed in the human diet for as long as chickens and pigs as livestock have existed.

the rates of linoleic acid in eggs, large, chicken, beef, pork have all changed drastically in the last 100 years because what we feed the animals has changed drastically. a grass fed cow has a lower omega6 profile than one in a factory farm. farmers have gotten tricky with it, raising "grass fed cows" but then for a couple months before slaughter, fattening them up with industry "feed". So now when you're at the sto…

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Post by voldacar »

whalesalad wrote: post #294
voldacar wrote: post #273

It's nice to see the anti seed oil discourse ramping up lately, but I'm sort of pessimistic about this. Like what is the endgame, exactly? Seed oils are in basically everything. Trying to avoid them is like trying to avoid endocrine disruptors by not touching plastic or eating anything that has touched plastic. It's sort of an absurd thing to even attempt, it would drive you insane.

This is an avoidable problem though. We invented this by racing to the bottom and assembling “food” with substitutes for real nutrition. The goal is to educate humanity so that we can start making more conscious decisions about what we eat and move away from this.

>The goal is to educate humanity so that we can start making more conscious decisions

I don't think you can educate your way out of economies of scale that make it cheap to feed people garbage. The only real solution would be to declare PUFA as unfit for human consumption but that won't happen obviously

Besides, many people really will just eat whatever crispy oily sugary slop has the shiniest packaging. It is unpleasant to believe this, but it's true. Think of how health conscious or critically minded the average person is, and remember that 50% of the population is below that average. A lot of people really just go through life without making choices, just consuming whatever is directly in front of them. This can be hard to believe if (like most people on this site) you are significantly smarter and richer than average, and spend your time around others who are similarly smarter and richer than average, but it really is true.

Like think of how more than 2/3 american adults are overweight. Why? Because they literally can't stop picking up food with their hands, putting it into their mouths, and chewing and swallowing it. All you have to do to not be fat is to instruct your fleshsuit to stop picking things up and placing them in your mouth. Calories cannot legally enter your body without your consent. And yet 2/3 adults are overweight. So I don't think education will do anything here.

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Post by lazyjones »

voldacar wrote: post #273

It's nice to see the anti seed oil discourse ramping up lately, but I'm sort of pessimistic about this. Like what is the endgame, exactly? Seed oils are in basically everything. Trying to avoid them is like trying to avoid endocrine disruptors by not touching plastic or eating anything that has touched plastic. It's sort of an absurd thing to even attempt, it would drive you insane.

The endgame is to avoid them where possible in order to minimize the risk. It's not absurd and very reasonable. People stick to all kinds of obscure diets and most are not going insane.

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Post by [deleted] »

voldacar wrote: post #308
whalesalad wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an avoidable problem though. We invented this by racing to the bottom and assembling “food” with substitutes for real nutrition. The goal is to educate humanity so that we can start making more conscious decisions about what we eat and move away from this.

>The goal is to educate humanity so that we can start making more conscious decisions I don't think you can educate your way out of economies of scale that make it cheap to feed people garbage. The only real solution would be to declare PUFA as unfit for human consumption but that won't happen obviously Besides, many people really will just eat whatever crispy oily sugary slop has the shiniest packaging. It is unplea…

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