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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by paulcole »

pengaru wrote: post #291
dtemp wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I heard of JRE many years ago, I said to myself, "do I care to hear the endless opinions of the former host of Fear Factor? Nope." And that was that, never even decided to give it a try with so much other potential content available.

The main value JRE has is in its guests. The host is a broken record increasingly with an agenda who flies an "I'm a moron" disclaimer in the same breath as speaking authoritatively on whatever controversial fire he wishes to give more oxygen to. At least nowadays most the interesting guests go on other podcasts when they're making the rounds, so JRE's unique value has greatly diminished.

> The host is a broken record increasingly with an agenda who flies an "I'm a moron" disclaimer

This is the same trick Jon Stewart used on The Daily Show to great effect. “I’m just a comedian” indeed. People just happened to like his takes.

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Post by throw_m239339 »

waffle_maniac wrote: post #253
EthOptimist wrote: post #210

Is it possible Spotify was debating what to do, decided to not take down Joe Rogan's episodes, but then some rogue employee did it anyway?

I don’t get why people are so triggered by this guy. Seems like very fragile people.

When people believe that "words are violence", demanding broad censorship is the logical progression.

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Post by robbedpeter »

scruple wrote: post #191
FeteCommuniste wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of them are really baffling. Tom Segura, Bert Kreischer, Ian Edwards? Tim Ferris?

The Louis Theroux one really throws me off.

Ooh, conspiracy time, it's scientologists pulling the strings!

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Post by gnicholas »

I wonder what rights Rogan might have to publish these episodes elsewhere, or to litigate their removal. Presumably he didn't sign a contract saying "you can have all my episodes and can remove as many of them as you want from the internet, with zero consequences".

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Post by [deleted] »

thebigjewbowski wrote: post #269

I love Joe. I use Spotify exclusively to listen to his podcast. I listen to every episode… I wish there was a way to tell them if it wasn’t for his show I’d never use their app but I suspect they already know that. Unfortunately I think attacks on his having been prescribed ivermectin and his guests like the highly published cardiologist and the guy that contracts with the defense department and has patents related t…

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Post by mulletbum »

TrispusAttucks wrote: post #297
afavour wrote: post #188

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.

Joe Rogan got paid by a company to distribute his content with the right to not distribute any portion they want.

If anything, Joe Rogan is giving up his free speech. No one is taking it.

Anyone can make a podcast and put it out. Zero stopping them other than maybe money to buy a device to record and send it.

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Post by nomilk »

snotrockets wrote: post #293
nomilk wrote: post #224

This is bigger than Spotify. Rogan was a proactive person conducting open research into the world around him. When proactive people investigate things and share their findings, it now only takes a few to dislike the findings, fuss, and have the findings removed. To those that support this, I have 4 questions: 1. Is disincentivising sharing knowledge really good for the world? 2. Is it reasonable to expect 100% of inq…

No, this is not how you do “open research”. He’s a shock jock ffs. A good one, maybe, but not Woodward or Bernstein.

By your logic, would Ignaz Semmelweis, Giordano Bruno, or Nicolaus Copernicus be allowed on a mainstream platform today? And does that even matter to you?

Their ideas were so shocking they weren't only banned, but were made pariahs of, thrown into asylums, and burned.

The best we can do is hear different ideas with an open mind, and use our logic and discernment to come to our own judgements.

Since the quality of judgement differs greatly from person to person, it's dangerous to allow your flow of information to be filtered by corporate or governmental pressures; let alone by any single segment of society.

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Post by drak0n1c »

bitcurious wrote: post #190

The anti-censorship comments here of course resonate with me, but I'm curious about the legality of this. Spotify advertised Rogan and sold paid subscriptions. Now they've unilaterally removed the ability to listen from millions of paying customers, at least some of whom subscribed exclusively for the purpose of listening to JRE. Do these customers have no recourse?

Unfortunately I fear we'll have to wait until web3 enables some sort of DRM-replacing copy-supporting NFTs for song/podcast/game/etc copy ownership rights. Legally the major publishers, platforms, and stores have license clauses allowing them to revoke their hosted access to digital media you "bought", so the alternative might be decentralized copyright and file hosting.

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Post by 0xy »

bachmeier wrote: post #238

Predictably, people break out the C-word. Every business decides what they sell and what they don't. Do they also complain about censorship and shout at the manager of a shoe store for not selling books? Spotify decided they don't want to sell those episodes of JR. That's not censorship, it's business, and it's very different than if it's done by the government.

Predictably, the people desperately trying to redefine "censorship" from its dictionary definition show up.

Censorship is not inherently a government action, your post is contrary to the actual definition. [1]

[1] https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/censorsh...

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